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21Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:29 pm

Monster


Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
My brother has planted around 3000 teak trees in North Central province 12 years ago. Around 5% trees died due to the drought and other natural disasters. His investment for the plantation is almost nothing. He should be able to harvest in next 6 - 8 years. He may be able to sell a tree around Rs 12,000/- ( I may be wrong). Even if he sell a tree at Rs 5000/- he would get a good return. This is a long term investment but you will get a good return for your investment.

22Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:39 pm

WildBear


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
@Sudee wrote:



You can get the plants from the forest dept. But you how govt depts in SL functions, right?
Try and see, if not just lets me know. There are private vendors, but i don't have their contact numbers, right now.

You can buy tissue cultured plants from CIC Agri Businesses nurseries , Just Rs. 15 per plant. so initial cost is negligible if you have a bare land.

23Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:42 pm

WildBear


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
@Monster wrote:My brother has planted around 3000 teak trees in North Central province 12 years ago. Around 5% trees died due to the drought and other natural disasters. His investment for the plantation is almost nothing. He should be able to harvest in next 6 - 8 years. He may be able to sell a tree around Rs 12,000/- ( I may be wrong). Even if he sell a tree at Rs 5000/- he would get a good return. This is a long term investment but you will get a good return for your investment.

@ Monster if you can find a good buyer you can sell them at many times higher than the above value. One of my friend sold an average size tree at 35 000/-

24Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:02 pm

Monster


Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
@WildBear wrote:
@Sudee wrote:



You can get the plants from the forest dept. But you how govt depts in SL functions, right?
Try and see, if not just lets me know. There are private vendors, but i don't have their contact numbers, right now.

You can buy tissue cultured plants from CIC Agri Businesses nurseries , Just Rs. 15 per plant. so initial cost is negligible if you have a bare land.
If I am not mistaken, you can get up to 1000 plants free of charge from Forest department.

25Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:48 pm

manula


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics
As CSE many compnies having core business ...better from our side also having different type of saving... except of share marekt .. you can save some other way like FD,plantation etc... Smile Smile

I am also thinking about the teak plantation and like to find a good land around 1 to 2 acre.....any idea...

26Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:46 pm

Sudee


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
B/proof,

I had a massage from you, but i cant reply you through a private massage since i haven't made the required number of posts to the forum to qualify for that.
What you can do is, send a massage to this e-mail sudee32000@yahoo.com

Monster,

35,000 is a reasonable rate. How ever the rate depend on the size and the maturity. Size & maturity are two independent factors. Some believe that when the trees are big in size they are matured, that wrong.
Maturity & size mainly depend on the soil, variety and whether.
My father was a timber trader. He has bought teak trees for even more than 100,000 in the past. But such trees are no more.
People cut them even before they are matured.

What is important is the maturity. Average size tree which has matured worth more than a big size tree which has not matured.

I think it is good to mention this as well which has a Environmental effect:
Cutting trees is not good for environment, but with the increase in population it has to be done. Hence what we should do is, we must try to get the maximum use from a tree when it is cut. Furniture made out of timber obtained from Immature trees are of low quality and will not last long. Its just like, "gahatath naha, badatath naha".

Most of the crazy vendors in Moratuwa is one such party who encourage this bad practice of cutting young trees. However, people are also eager to get money soon, backed by thousands of needs they have.

Be mindful if you buy furniture from Moratuwa. However, this also should be said. Even though they are not high quality, still they can be bought at half of the prices that you find in big stores.

27Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:11 pm

kam2011


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@illuminati wrote:Please please don,t fall prey to this racket. This is similar to pyramid scams. All these mango, teak, sandalwood plantations, are real scams that rip you off. As monster suggested if you want buy a few acres of land.

100 % agree. We should not waste our hard earned money for nothing.

28Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:01 pm

K.Haputantri

K.Haputantri
Co-Admin
A very usefull discussion.

29Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:25 pm

rijayasooriya

rijayasooriya
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Sudee, appreciate ur knowledge sharing effect.

Hope this link would also help for ur decisions.

http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t15824-sadaharitha-plantation?highlight=sadaharitha+plantation

30Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:13 am

Sudee


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
@illuminati wrote:Please please don,t fall prey to this racket. This is similar to pyramid scams. All these mango, teak, sandalwood plantations, are real scams that rip you off. As monster suggested if you want buy a few acres of land.

I don't know about the mango & sandalwood. But i'm aware of green field, coconut & teak plantation.
Tell me, how this is similar to a "PYRAMID SCAMS" ???????????????

(in fact i would have posted this first)

I don't accept the methodology followed by green field. That's it. Coz following that method, i'm doubtful whether the owners can have a SUSTAINABLE COCONUT PLANTATION.

Its simply due to this.
1. I don't accept the variety they plant.
2. I don't accept the water preservation method they use.
3. I don't agree on the time at which they hand over the land to owner.

Teak plantation - I should tell you that this is the investment you can make in a plantation with lowest investment, but very long term. At least 20 years. Though the life time is high, i would still consider this as a low risk investment.
What you can do is, buy yourself a bare land and clean it.(use machines as far as possible. Minimize the labour) Then during the rainy season plant the nurseries.
By the time rain is over they are well rooted.
Just let them grow by them selves. Once the dry season comes some plants will die. That's normal. If possible replant them.
Simply because of this very distinctive two seasons only we can get good quality teak. If it were to have the same whether through out the year, we can't have good teak.

Bi annually or at least annually cut the extra branches and clean the weeds.
(Get one or two people to cut the branches and hire a tractor with rotary disk to clean the weeds)
Don't cut all the branches like some does expecting trees to grow taller. Without sufficient leaves the tree cannot absorb the required sun rays and produce the required food. Ultimately what happens is the tree will not be matured on time.

This is all about teak investment.

31Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:02 pm

sajcolombo


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
Dear Sudee,

Thanks for the valuable info and understand u have a good knowledge in coconut plantation.

i have followings to clarify with expert person like you....if you dont mind Smile...

* Where can i buy the good coconut plants and what is the cost of the plant
* How many plants per acre
*What will be the annual total cost per plant including maintenance/fertilizer
* if there any insect affection where can I get the info of the treatments

*Average nuts per plant per year

* Do I need to station a person from day one to…..

And anything you know about coconut plantation……….

Once again I thank you for knowledge sharing…….

Thanks…….

32Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:34 pm

Sudee


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
Call CRI and ask about the availability. There are newly developed varieties. But the problem is all the plants are sold to close friends at most of the times.
I think CIC also has.
What we do is, select the average size nuts (not so big ones, coz then the no of nuts per bunch will be low) and plant them.

Anyway, im not too confident with those new varieties, i wud say like this.
New varieties - For:
harvest start within 3 yrs (approx) normal variety - 5 yrs
No of nuts per bunch 10-20 (approx) normal variety - 7 - 15 (these are practical figures. If you ask CRI, they will tell high nos.)
Tree height - relatively short Normal variety - You no the height of a coconut tree, right?. In a way short tree is good coz it takes short time & easy to pluck the nuts. Bcoz ppl are scard to find for plucking coconut.

Against:
This nut is not much suitable for D/C coz hard to remove the shell.
The amount of milk & Oil that can be extracted is relatively low.
(thatz y Middle east countries buy coconut from us even at high prices, when they are avaible at low prices in India. So i doubt whether new variesties will have the same demand. Now only the harvest from these start to come to the mkt so have to wait n see for some time what is happening to them.)
Short trees means you can't sell the trees once they are old.

Cost per plant - LKR 45 - 150. (45 means plants with out packets, but still gud. I plant them. since they are without a packet, should be planted within few days once they are bought)

You can harvest 8 times per year. Normally one bunch per month. So some harvest at two months interval n cut two bunches. We are harvesting at 6 weeks interval. From most of the trees we cut 2 bunches and from some only 1.

You should have a station person. Cz if you can identify insect afection soon then it can be treated. To identify them promtly, trees should be frequntly visited. (daily or two days interval)
I will tell u, Finding a gud station person is nothing other than ur LUCK.
(coz, this is a critical factor)

If you have any doubt mail me. Cz admin might chase me if im going taking too much abt coconut but not on equity.

33Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:52 pm

Monster

Monster
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Useful information about coconut plantation. How many trees can be planted in an acre. Around 50 - 60?

34Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:30 am

manula


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics
@Sudee, thanks for the info.. these short varitey if i am correct called as hybrid plants ?? other thing we can plant intercop like Banana,Papol .. between the cocount trees and one of my friend has plant teak for the fence..from that you can earn extra income...

35Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:56 am

Sudee


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
I forgot to tell that.
Earlier it was 70 per acre, then became 75 and even 80 can be planted if ur not thinking of having any other cultivation among the coconut. I think CRI will not recommend 80, but what i say is try to get the max benefit out of it if ur having only 1 or 2 acre.

Better to mention this also.
Coconut development board gives lot of subsidies as well, which people are not aware much. They give subsidies for,
1.Cutting down & removing dead or old trees which gives low harvest.
2. Planting nurseries for them.
3. Making husk pits
4. Planting "gliksiriya" (i don't know the correct name) Leaf of this tree is a good fertilizer.
5. Making land improvements (drainage lines)

Anyway, its government who gives them, so you know their efficiency. Some times they say that treasury has not allocated adequate funds and so on.

In addition, they also give 1m & above loans for any cultivation. This is really good because the interest is about 5%. In addition, the interest will be paid back on the successful completion of the loan. A friend of mine got this benefit. Then only i also got confident in this. Loan amount depend on your land size. I think if u have 10 acre u can get about 1m. Loans are administered by Peoples' bank, so lot of paper work to get them.

36Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:10 am

Sudee


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
@manula wrote:@Sudee, thanks for the info.. these short varitey if i am correct called as hybrid plants ?? other thing we can plant intercop like Banana,Papol .. between the cocount trees and one of my friend has plant teak for the fence..from that you can earn extra income...

Yeah yeah, what ever the size of the land, should have teak around it. We normally call it teak fence. That adds extra value to the estate as well.

If inter crops are also under taken, then no of coconut trees has to be abt 70 pa. Other thing i have to mention is, if your doing coconut there should be a station person. And if ur thinking of these inter crops, this station person has to be even better. And depending on the extend of these cultivation, additional workers have to be hired. Managing these workers, finding good station person are very difficult.
If you believe that u can handle the man power smartly, then estate management is not difficult.

Yep, they are hybrid varieties.

37Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:24 am

Backstage

Backstage
Moderator
Moderator
It is wonderful to have someone who literally knows his "nuts" so generously sharing information. A big thank you Sudee.
A lot of people underestimates the importance of the station person, I know a lot of people whose plantation dreams have become nightmares on that issue. There are a lot of so called managers who move from one ripoff to another. Absentee landlords are fast becoming a thing of the past.

One more question if I may ? How many teak trees to an acre ?

38Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:38 pm

kelumhewage


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
hii experts...thank god i started a worthy discussion over the investors...i am still looking at some positive or negetive whether to invest on a plantation...keep enlighten the discussion...thanks for everybody who contributed the headings..... cheers

39Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:41 pm

kelumhewage


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
and people like work in oversease can anybody recomend a firm that can be reliable for investing please give ur oppenion on this matter.....

40Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:56 pm

sajcolombo


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
Dear Sudee,

Fist of all i must say BIG THANK YOU for sharing valuable and more practical info.

However it seems this topic is very interesting and useful for many in here...specially to me..Smile

Yes i have to few more to clarify with you..BUT if i'm post more and more questions admin might chase both of us from the forum.

However it is good to have discussion like this and it's very very useful for newcomers for particular field (Plantation)...

Unfortunately i'm not allowed to post you a private message in here.

If you don't mind can i have your e mail id then i can send you through....

Once again A BIG THANK YOU AND HATS OFF FOR YOUR GREAT WORK..

God bless.......


41Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:01 pm

sajcolombo


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
Dear kelumhewage,

Thanks for starting a useful discussion like this........

42Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:06 pm

Monster

Monster
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
I think there is no harm to discuss these type of matters in this forum. It's very useful for certain members though the discussion is not purely equity investment related. I hope Admin would agree with me.

We used to discuss many (unwanted) stuffs in this forum, such as politics, sports, gossips and many more. I believe this is a useful discussion.

sudee, I admire your knowledge in this sector.

43Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:13 pm

rijayasooriya

rijayasooriya
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
@sajcolombo wrote:Dear Sudee,

Fist of all i must say BIG THANK YOU for sharing valuable and more practical info.

However it seems this topic is very interesting and useful for many in here...specially to me..Smile

Yes i have to few more to clarify with you..BUT if i'm post more and more questions admin might chase both of us from the forum.

However it is good to have discussion like this and it's very very useful for newcomers for particular field (Plantation)...

Unfortunately i'm not allowed to post you a private message in here.

If you don't mind can i have your e mail id then i can send you through....

Once again A BIG THANK YOU AND HATS OFF FOR YOUR GREAT WORK..

God bless.......



If u can not pm him I think there is no big offence asking it here.I do not think admins will chase u for that.This discussion is realy useful to interested poeple.

44Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:52 pm

manula


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics
@Sudee wrote:
@manula wrote:@Sudee, thanks for the info.. these short varitey if i am correct called as hybrid plants ?? other thing we can plant intercop like Banana,Papol .. between the cocount trees and one of my friend has plant teak for the fence..from that you can earn extra income...

Yeah yeah, what ever the size of the land, should have teak around it. We normally call it teak fence. That adds extra value to the estate as well.

If inter crops are also under taken, then no of coconut trees has to be abt 70 pa. Other tis hing i have to mention is, if your doing coconut there should be a station person. And if ur thinking of these inter crops, this station person has to be even better. And depending on the extend of these cultivation, additional workers have to be hired. Managing these workers, finding good station person are very difficult.
If you believe that u can handle the man power smartly, then estate management is not difficult.

Yep, they are hybrid varieties.

As what I heard is one strong person is enough for 1 or 2 acres.. with this intercrops ..some pepole as i know is giving some space to the person to grow some thing he like or from profit some precentage..so these pepole are active... and same time i heard conut devlopment board will give fertilzer on subisdary on less than 5 acres.. hope i am correct..mean time i am also serching few acres around 2 to 3 for coconut cultivation.. (another good thing is if you can build a small house can used to as a good place to rest in off days....same time can given to friends and earn some extra income....many ways... Very Happy )

45Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 2 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:10 pm

sajcolombo


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
Dear Sudee,

Based on your info i have done the below calculations.

Assumed nuts per bunch -12 and 2 bunches for 6 weeks period

Average nuts per plant per year 12x2x8 =192 if so nuts per acre per year 192x75=14400

Correct me if i'm wrong...Smile

Also need your valuable advise on the below

* What will be the selling method of the crop and selling price of the nut

* fertilization - how many times per year and cost.

* If i'm station a person what will be the wage for a month or is it depends on the land area?

* Irrigation method

I know too many questions....Smile highly appreciate your valuable advises.......

Thanks.....

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