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61Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue May 22, 2012 10:30 am

Sudee


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
Sorry, i have no much idea about sandal wood.
Anyway, you may try following places.

Department of Ayurveda +94 11 2896911 / +94 11 2896911
Agriculture info help line 1920
Forest Department 0112866631, 0112866632, 0112875540

BTW, how many plants you want?
If it's small number i may b able to suggest u private vendors who plant them in small scale.



62Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue May 22, 2012 10:34 am

Sudee


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
@stumpy,

Yep ur correct.
Anyway, lets see what we can suggest to his friend.

63Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue May 22, 2012 12:52 pm

stumpy


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@BS >
Rainfall @ Wariyapola is more than enough for Teak!

@Sudi
My suggestions>

1 > Selling the land with tress for an unknown party Razz Just kidding... as usual! lol!

2 > Trying to find a buyer who wants "Aratuwa" > than "Wata Adi"
(who know the real value of heart than the outer appearance Razz eth ehema evun hoyana eka thamai amaaru! coz, this is a business)

3 > Trying to find a direct supplier to Moratuwa or may be to an Exporter!

4 > mm.... I'll PM if I get another crazy idea! Very Happy

@Sudi
I forgot to mention!
I've gone through the entire thread with much interest!
I respect ur extensive knowledge n experience regarding coconut plantations!
Hoping to have some consultations sooner than later Very Happy

64Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue May 22, 2012 1:22 pm

Backstage


Moderator
Moderator
Passed the information to my friend,who said he will measure the girth and tell me.
His main crop is coconut with some mango and Cashew. At the time of planting he the forest dept guys had told him to plant 10 feet apart which he had done,(is that how you get 200/acre?) but just left them to grow without thinning or any type of maintenance(my friend is not the most dynamic person around). So its a teak jungle with a lot of smaller trees growing in between and not a plantation.
He now tells me that he hasn't actually asked the local buyers as they then start harassing him and coming daily to see the trees.(that's not what he said when he was with his wife) So he is a bit of a reluctant seller with his wife pushing him to sell to improve their cash flow.
Thanks Sudee/Stump for taking the time, will post when he gets back to me.I too am looking for some trees as I am building a house.

65Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue May 22, 2012 2:09 pm

stumpy


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Oh! no! It's called Social Forestry plus Family commitments Razz

Initial spacing for planting teak stumps is 3m x 3m after land preparations!
After that we have to follow pruning & general plantation management practices!

Then we have to do pre-commercial thinning after 8 - 12 years which don't have a timber value! Usually we're doing a commercial thinning (which has a timber value) after 18 years depending on factors such as geography, rainfall & demand etc! By that time we'll only have 160 trees per acre! Final felling is done 22-25 years in commercial plantations!

@Backstage wrote:
He now tells me that he hasn't actually asked the local buyers as they then start harassing him and coming daily to see the trees.
Oh! Kunu kollayata "Purchasing Trees" is a very common practice in our country Razz

+ Lack of knowledge is a major concern! Very Happy

I'm more than happy to learn Agro-Forestry stuff! he he!

66Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue May 22, 2012 2:41 pm

Backstage

Backstage
Moderator
Moderator
Thanks for the info stump, I am also planning to acquire some land close to Puliyankulam for teak. My roofing carpenter says that there are different varieties of teak growing in SL with differing qualities. Do you know anything about that?
BTW according to my friend the official rainfall line crosses Wariyapola and the rain actually stops a couple of kms from his land which is on the Padeniya road just past the so called rain line. It apparently happens every year.

67Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue May 22, 2012 3:04 pm

Chinwi

Chinwi
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Ha Ha . Glad to learn many are now looking towards plantation / forestry.
At -least good for our environment. Smile

If some one wanted to know about Sandalwood plantation let me know. I will try to write (here) what I know .

Remember they are not just trees. They are semi-parasites.
Sandalwood tree is not capable to get its all NPK like other trees do. Hence, we have to provide proper supportive plants and feed them too.

Note about Teak : as stumpy said more rain will give you bad Teak.

68Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue May 22, 2012 3:23 pm

Backstage

Backstage
Moderator
Moderator
This is more interesting than our sideways market.

I have a small patch of land close to Belihuloya that I am planing on blocking and selling, on that land white Sandlewood used to grow wild. Quite a bit of it has been stolen but a few are left. I will see if there are any small plants around. Even small branches are stolen, sometimes killing the tree.

69Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue May 22, 2012 3:34 pm

FALCON

FALCON
Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic
@Chinwi
@Backstage

Thank you

70Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue May 22, 2012 4:54 pm

smallville

smallville
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Here we go.. after a long time a nice alternative investment idea know?

Keep it up and keep your thoughts/ expertise coming in...

71Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue May 22, 2012 8:10 pm

stumpy

stumpy
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@Small:
huh! thanks for the cheer up mate!
What about that bloody meet up?
I saw that missed call, will call back later boss! Wink

@Chinwi wrote:Ha Ha . Glad to learn many are now looking towards plantation / forestry.
At -least good for our environment. Smile

If some one wanted to know about Sandalwood plantation let me know. I will try to write (here) what I know .

Remember they are not just trees. They are semi-parasites.
Sandalwood tree is not capable to get its all NPK like other trees do. Hence, we have to provide proper supportive plants and feed them too.

Note about Teak : as stumpy said more rain will give you bad Teak.


Yaaay Master,
Glad to see you again after a long time!
Hope you're doing great! Once I sent you a PM! Hope u haven't seen it! I'll send it to you once again Very Happy

BTW FYI, I was interested in Agriculture/Forestry even before coming to CSE! Very Happy ha ha!

@Backstage
Generally we're using major variety Tectona Grandis! There can be some sub species too! But there's no major change in timber volume or pest resistance! Our forest department is having healthy orchards but they're not selling seeds or ready-made teak stumps as I know! But again it's a GOV institute! If you know what I mean! Razz

If you're considering alternatives in Dry Zone, long leaved Mahogany Swietenia Microphylla (not the broad leaved one which is planted in Wet Zone) or "African Mahogany" (a perfect choice) can be considered with other local varieties such as Nandun, Burutha etc!

Land vs rainfall
Ayyo! Poor Fellow! How unlucky he is! Smile
What about investing in some irrigation method, may be for next cropping cycle? Very Happy
If you're serious about plantation forestry, visit the selected land 2-3 times in different seasons with a thermometer, ph meter n other stuff & specially do a soil sample testing before the original purchase! Those villagers will think you're crazy! But again it's my car my patrol thingy! A friend of mine who wanted to plant Murunga escaped from such a scene coz of a simple soil test! There was a huge rock surface covering entire area few meters below his dream land!
And you'll call me Crazy because I'm spending 9-12 months before purchasing a land, but we're talking about an investment (timber) which give you returns after 15-25 years! Waiting for one year is nothing! Razz

Sandalwood
Villagers are using them for medicinal purposes & they think those parts (even the small sticks) can bring them luck! It's a general practice in those areas!

I'm a keen follower of Chinwi's way after doing a research about local plantation companies! he he!
And I'll start my own plantation company next year Very Happy

@Sudi,
Y u silent my dear friend?

72Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Wed May 23, 2012 10:26 am

manula


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics
@stumpy... as i mentioned in my previoues posts... in the same subject.. like to start teak cultivation/cocount.. but due to i am working overseas i think better is teak ..due to less maintenace ... hope good in long run..at leaset will be sutiable for the kids..any advice.. sutiable area.. or any..



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73Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Wed May 23, 2012 10:30 am

Chinwi

Chinwi
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Stumpy
A friend of mine who wanted to plant Murunga escaped from such a scene coz of a simple soil test! There was a huge rock surface covering entire area few meters below his dream land!

This is a very important advise / observation. I have seen many people fail after purchasing lands due to this factor. There could be a thick layer of rock few meters below the beautiful land you purchased.
Most of the land-sale people who sell lands for housing purposes will preach you about readily available water but you may find a huge rocky mountain instead.

74Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Wed May 23, 2012 10:54 am

manula


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics
@manula wrote:@stumpy... as i mentioned in my previoues posts... in the same subject.. like to start teak cultivation/cocount.. but due to i am working overseas i think better is teak ..due to less maintenace ... hope good in long run..at leaset will be sutiable for the kids..any advice.. sutiable area.. or any..

Chinwi..like to know your comments also...

75Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Thu May 24, 2012 9:09 am

Sudee


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
As i have no much knowledge about sandal wood and particularly wet zone plantations, was kept quite.

"If you're considering alternatives in Dry Zone, long leaved Mahogany Swietenia Microphylla (not the broad leaved one which is planted in Wet Zone) or "African Mahogany" (a perfect choice) can be considered with other local varieties such as Nandun, Burutha etc!"

Anyway, is there any person who has followed the above?
I mean, who has planted any of those trees?


76Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue May 29, 2012 2:50 pm

Backstage

Backstage
Moderator
Moderator
My friend says the girth at 7 feet is about 3 feet and the trees are over50 feet in height. It is clear to me now that he has no intention of selling them. I don't know why as they have a son struggling with his college fees and my friend goes around in a beat up truck. But he is curious about the price. His wife is on the war path, hehe...
In the meantime I am looking for a big Mee tree for my roof.

About Sandlewood. There are roving buyers who visit the Belihuloya area and during those visits any unguarded Sandlewood disappears and I think for illegal export.

77Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue May 29, 2012 3:12 pm

WildBear


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Recently I found some. leisure sector investment projects at www.ideahomes.lk. It seems a novel concept to Sri Lanka. But I have no idea about this company. If any one know any thing, please share.
According to them you can own a 3 star luxury villa at St Clair falls site, for $ 15 000-20000 on profit sharing basis while they manage and market the properties.you can recover the investment in 3-4 years depending on occupancy.

78Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:48 pm

Monster

Monster
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Does anyone have any idea about horticulture industry. There are many companies do horticulture in north western province. Where can I get more information about this?

79Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:17 am

Chinwi

Chinwi
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
@Monster wrote:Does anyone have any idea about horticulture industry. There are many companies do horticulture in north western province. Where can I get more information about this?

There is a separate unit in EDB for foliage business. They have some info and they will assist you to find buyers also.
Main thing is first you will have to grow few acres of foliage as they need continuous supply.

In NCP I have seen one person who exports cut foliage many years ago. I think he is still doing the business. There were about 30 girls working in his premises packing the stuff.
It was called " Decor Foliage" Address: "Rathnasiriya”, Meegahamula Watta, Pannala, Ibbagamuwa,,Sri Lanka
Proprietor: Mr. Gamini Rathnasiri - Managing Director Phone 94-37-225 9637

I heard there are many exporters in Gampaha area. They buy out-growers products.

In addition, I can give you some idea about pricing.

Some times ago I grew cane palm (Dypsis_lutescens) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dypsis_lutescens1.jpg) as a cut foliage. Collectors came to our place and paid Rs. 2.50 - 4.00 to us per branch. In Dubai I saw in the flower shops they sell it @ 2 Dirhams. I.e. 60.00 LKR. Naturally anyone will take this as a lucrative if we can export.
But this is how it happens:
Collectors sell it to the local exporter @ 5/- to 6/- . After cleaning and packing they export it by airfreight and main importer get it @ avr 15/- 20/- Rs. They distribute it to the local sellers in that country @ 30/- . the retail man sell it to the customers @ 60 /- . Transportation, salaries, tax , profits and other overheads included at each stage.
Somehow if we can become the grower and the retail seller that is nice.

If you grow these plants to sell locally as pot plants, a good business , you have to buy seedlings and pot them . They will take 8 months - 15 months to grow to a 2.5 ft bush.
If you plant 4-5 seedlings in a 10inch "Mal Pochchiya" the cost will be 75/-100/- . you can sell it 350 -500. after 1 year.
Bigger plants 1.5 year-2 year aged go over 2500/- @ Battaramulla plant shops. ( Former Mal Pradarshanaya at Wiharamahadevi park) Sometimes a single buyer buy 10- 15 plants @ 2500 each.

I know one person who supplied cane palm seedlings 15 years ago. I do not know his current position.
Mr. Nalaka Eknaligoda, Nilanka Nursery, 69/1, kandy road, Kurunegala. 0372233673 .

You can have a general idea if you visit Battaramulla weekend flower show near Waters Adge. Go and meet Mrs. Soma Nethsinghe. She is a good lady. (Some people may mislead you or lot of " Gurumushti")

In addition there are many other popular plant varieties including Aglonemas, orchids and Anthurium. Some people visit Thailand , bring plants and sell here at higher prices.

If you need info about orchid growing let me know. In 1980s I exported my flowers through Lakmalsala .
A flower called gerberra is popular these days. Some people go to Pune in India to bring Gerberra plants. Hayleys also breed and sell them in SL.

80Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:56 am

Monster

Monster
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Many thanks to your information Chinwi. I have sent you a PM.

81Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:31 pm

Appuhamy


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Dear Chinwi,

I am also interested in starting a orchid plantation. Could you please
tell me how to stat it.

Including 1) Infrastructure 2) Disease 3) Fertilizer 4) Income 5) Main expenses

Thank you.

82Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:34 pm

Whitebull


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
If someone can change the topic according to the contents it is better.

83Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:46 am

Chinwi

Chinwi
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
@Appuhamy wrote:
Dear Chinwi,

I am also interested in starting a orchid plantation. Could you please
tell me how to stat it.

Including 1) Infrastructure 2) Disease 3) Fertilizer 4) Income 5) Main expenses

Thank you.


Orchid growing is one of the highest return generators in agriculture.
Similarly, putting money to Orchid growing in commercial level is one of highest risk taking investment you can do.

Hence you have to have a thorough knowledge and experience about it before investing in larger scale.
Actually in that sense it is same like stock trading.

Best way is to start slowly in small scale , get experience and then expand it gradually. You can visit farms, exhibitions, talk with people while studying it. It is good if you can visit Chatuchak market in Bangkok some day specially in a Wednesday.

I want to reply you like this, mainly because, these orchids are very much vulnerable to decieses like roor rot, top rot , bacterial attacts and various pest attacks. Not like in other crops, here it is very diffucult to locate and notice an attack before it damaging lot of plants.
For eg. root rot spread inside the entire plant first by destroying all the roots and then damaging psedobulbs while the leaves stay in very much healthy looking state.
At such stage you cannot do anythng but remove the plant. If this happen to the entire bed/lot you loose your money and hopes.

Hence first, you have to have some knowledge and experience about this cultivation . Continuous watching and learning is needed; until you are confident enough to invest in large scale.
There are lot of things books do not say.

Damages due to rain is also a big problem. Too much dampness in rooting media will rot your plants, definitely.
If you can invest in toatally or partially controlled environment that is worthwhile. Specially if you can protect plants from rain a big problm is over and your income will increase.

Later today or tmr, I will put here some info/replies to your questions.

මිට අවුරුදු 20 කට පමණ පෙර මගෙන් උපදෙස් අරන් මේ වැඩේ පටන්ගත්ත අය අතුරින් එක්කෙනෙක් දේශීය වෙළෙඳ පොළ අල්ලාගෙන පස්සේ එක්ස්පෝට් කරලා අද ලංකාවේ කෝටි පතියෙක් වෙච්ච කෙනෙක් ඉන්නවා. හැබැයි දැන්නම් එයා ට ඒ කාලේ මතක නැහැ. No contacts now. But, I can guide you to the people who are selling seedlings ( including that guy) .

If you are in no hurry, willing to learn by mistakes ( there will be lot of mistakes + losses) you can become an expert on this. Even if you fail in first instances, that knowledge will pay you in future. - same like stock market.

-chinwi

84Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:10 pm

Redbulls

Redbulls
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics
@Whitebull wrote:If someone can change the topic according to the contents it is better.

Good point from my friend.
(I mentioned my friend because you came in to the forum on the same day one of my good friend say bye to this forum)
Admin,Mod can consider heading like 'Discussion on Alternative Investment'.
Am I right Whitebull?

85Discussion on Alternative Investment - Page 4 Empty Re: Discussion on Alternative Investment on Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:14 pm

Appuhamy


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Thank you very much Chinwi ...

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