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41Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:45 pm

Ryan Hudson


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
What is this ? Supreme court of sri lanka with lot of lawyers, debates should be fruitful, the land has been valued by licensed valuer, so no loss to either party, its win win

42Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:00 pm

Rifanmoh


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
@Ryan Hudson wrote:What is this ? Supreme court of sri lanka with lot of lawyers, debates should be fruitful, the land has been valued by licensed valuer, so no loss to either party, its win win
This is what I have been telling. It was a arms length transaction. But people come with their valuation skills and say that, the value of the land was too high.

So I ask them if the price paid by ALUM to HEXP is high, why it is bad for HEXP?

43Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:29 pm

Chinwi


Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
From the beginning my argument was this is bad for minority shareholders of Alumex. They lose their money. That's all.

44Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:44 pm

Rifanmoh


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
@Chinwi wrote:From the beginning my argument was this is bad for minority shareholders of Alumex. They lose their money.  That's all.

You are correct.

It is bad for ALUM if it paid an unnecessary premium to acquire this land.

It is extra good for HEXP if there was such an unusually high premium included in the price. But however the extra premium could not be more than 50 Mn. As reported in every annual report, the annual movement in the market value of this property justifies the price Rs. 420 Mn.

45Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:23 pm

ifenny


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic
After reading all these arguments, I still believe it is too early to predict price movement of both HEXP and ALUM based on land transaction until it is clear to public shareholders that what HEXP is going to do with the money and what is ALUM is going to do with the land.

46Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:50 pm

Chinwi

Chinwi
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
@Rifanmoh wrote:
@Chinwi wrote:From the beginning my argument was this is bad for minority shareholders of Alumex. They lose their money.  That's all.

You are correct.

It is bad for ALUM if it paid an unnecessary premium to acquire this land.

It is extra good for HEXP if there was such an unusually high premium included in the price. But however the extra premium could not be more than 50 Mn. As reported in every annual report, the annual movement in the market value of this property justifies the price Rs. 420 Mn.


Small clarification.

I still want to explain  more for sake of business minded people to indicate how I build my argument.

They are paying 420 million for 8 acres of land to build a factory. i.e. 52 million per acre.
If they are developing a residential park then it is justifiable.  

If I build this factory I will go few kms away and buy a land paying 20 million.

NOW , I will direct you to resent news of Horana Tyre factory.
To defy accusations done by Hon. Rajitha Senarathne MP, another cabinet minister Hon. Malik Samarawickrama today disclosed the valuation details of the land.

“The statement that the land was given for Rs.100/- per Acre is incorrect.

In fact, the Government Chief Valuer had valued the land at Rs. 170,825,000/- and the investor has agreed to pay the total amount upfront.”

For 100 acres the valuation is 170 million.

i.e.  1 acre is 17 laks. 10,600 per perch. This seems to be a fair price. If this is an undeveloped bare land.

Now, we can compare ,
One company pays 420 million to buy 8 acres
another company pays 170 million to buy 100 acres.

Both for same purpose.

This is what I wanted to emphasize .  Minority shareholders screwed.  Extra premium is over 400 million.

47Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:29 pm

stockback


Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
me manussaiayata therenne naha.

Ekala kiyanne Factory zone ekak. ehema hama thanama factory danna baha. specialy Yakada sahitha anshu wathayata muda harina nisa. e factory special zone ekaki karanne.

mama inne ekala kittuwen. ape paththe perch ekak yana gana api dannawa. nikan moda katha kiyanna epa.

Alumex eke anith share holderslata usawi yanna puluwan. ehema case ekak dala nahane. 51% thibunai kiyala hama transaction ekakma karanna baha....

48Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:34 pm

Rifanmoh


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
@Chinwi

400 Mn premium? LOL

Don't compare Apple with Orange.

49Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:34 pm

Rifanmoh


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
Q3 Financials are released. While there is excellent improvement in the profits, the company also has disclosed on the profit earned (Capital Gain) with regard to the sale of land in a note to the accounts.


Events occurring after the Reporting Date
The Company disposed its Ekala Property to Alumex PLC (which is a subsidiary of Hayleys PLC) at a consideration of Rs.420,000,000/=. Deed of transfer was executed on 10th January 2017 subsequent to the reporting date.
This had been approved by the shareholders at the EGM held on 27th of July 2016. The gain on disposal of above property amounts to Rs. 215,000,000.

https://cdn.cse.lk/cmt/upload_report_file/768_1486027854496.pdf

This has been disclosed as the transaction was executed after the end of the Q3. This profit will be included in the Q4 financials.

As i have been repeatedly arguing that a profit per share above Rs. 25 has been earned due to the sale, now it is evident that profit of Rs. 26.875 per share has been actually disclosed. Divide Rs. 215 Mn by number of shares 8 Mn.

This profit is a permanent addition to NAV. So now think of the PBV of 1.38. So the share price is capable of going up by (1.38*26.875) Rs. 37. This is around Rs. 120

The company's cash position has drastically improved to Rs. 150 Mn even even before the sale the land. With the sale of land cash per share to stand at Rs. 71.25. This provides an opportunity for a huge one off dividend unless the Board has plans to reinvest the cash in the business.

50Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:50 am

Chinwi

Chinwi
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
@Rifanmoh wrote:Q3 Financials are released. While there is excellent improvement in the profits, the company also has disclosed on the profit earned (Capital Gain) with regard to the sale of land in a note to the accounts.


This has been disclosed as the transaction was executed after the end of the Q3. This profit will be included in the Q4 financials.

As i have been repeatedly arguing that a profit per share above Rs. 25 has been earned due to the sale, now it is evident that profit of Rs. 26.875 per share has been actually disclosed. Divide Rs. 215 Mn by number of shares 8 Mn.

Your calculations are correct. Agreed.

This profit is a permanent addition to NAV. So now think of the PBV of 1.38. So the share price is capable of going up by (1.38*26.875) Rs. 37. This is around Rs. 120

The company's cash position has drastically improved to Rs. 150 Mn even even before the sale the land. With the sale of land cash per share to stand at Rs. 71.25. This provides an opportunity for a huge one off dividend unless the Board has plans to reinvest the cash in the business.

You multiply 26.875 by PBV 1.38 to get 37/-

I understood it but my way is different. I do not multiply cash by PBV if a company has a big % of assets as cash. Because cash is cash.

IF they give big dividend they cannot give PBV increase.

26.875 x 1.38 = 37/-
If 26.857 given as dividend, you get 26.875 +
0  x 1.38 = 0

---

If they use this cash to buy an income generating property or do value addition to existing business then the story is different.

51Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:00 am

Rifanmoh


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
26.875+0*1.38=26.875

Not Zero as you indicated

52Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:36 am

fireshelter

fireshelter
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Very Happy

53Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:53 am

Miss-Sangeetha

Miss-Sangeetha
Moderator
Moderator
@Miss-Sangeetha wrote:Common directors mean not healthy bargaining in this transaction, all coming in under Hayleys purview, and so called independent assessment/ valuation also question mark, appointed by whom or Puppet of whom ?.

Compare to the surrounding place land value, this transaction of land value is extra ordinary high value with huge difference, any how this is Haleys internal decision because they can reach any amount of value and buyers and sellers are same persons under within the Hayleys purview and sharing common directors.

Due to this transaction Hayleys ALUMEX PLC’s total Fixed Asset /land asset value as well as Hayleys HEXP so called profit in land sale of HEXP also increasing in inflated value that is two mangoes in one stone without any efforts and simple way of transaction

Some are even talking about one off dividend payment to share holders from this land sale proceeds

Any prudent concept following accountant or board of directors won’t allow the land sale proceeds to distribute as dividend with considerable proportion of land sale proceeds.

Hayleys ALUMEX PLC’s 420 Million going to be transferred to Hayleys HEXP’s Land disposal account but how sincerely they are going to spend on investment from this land sales proceeds is an another question mark, in the middle of incoming news of right issue of HEXP within three months is an another doldrums. If this right issue talk of HEXP is true, then this transaction will greatly helpful to them.    


The HEXP has announced the great dividend of Rs.1.50, after the great land sale.

http://www.cse.lk/home/company-info/HEXP.N0000/announcements

 In year 2015 HEXP offered beggar’s dividend of Cents 30 subject to Tax. In year 2016 HEXP offered beggar’s dividend of Cents 50 that too subject to tax.

Now HEXP offered the dividend of Rs1.50, considering their forth coming Right issue saga but, that too subject to 10% tax

For Teller this is nothing, to divert the tension he is going to talk about next quarter result or future investment plan with this great land sale profit.

 Teller’s only concern is how to dump his boss’s huge remaining quantity of HEXP on others head.

It is regret to note most of them, after falling on Tellers trap, turning as Tellers strong supporters to escape from HEXP, to dump they are cheating that they were bought HEXP at low price and sold at high price and now they are waiting to buy, but real reason is to dump their quantity on others head and escape.

Land sale is Hayleys internal transfer; the so called Teller’s huge profit is, mere to show in documents for outsiders to attract successful right issue purposes.

 Now Teller’s boss earned huge profit, and Teller also received few percentage of profit from his boss for his successful arrangement of scapegoat from this forum.

 And few people also escaped with small profit. Example Tellers henchman Hiransilva23 but all others lost so many millions.

HEXP’s real value is below Rs.65/- after the right issue it will be below Rs.50/- is reality. Some so called expert will come to explain with rogue upward trend graph or with PV inner imaginary analysis that is only knows to Teller in the world.  

54Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:37 pm

anjelo

anjelo
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
@Miss-Sangeetha wrote:
@Teller wrote:Really interesting discussions are going on. Thanks Sangeetha for opening the thread. now no  one can hide the HEXP hidden value. We can see Rs
100 break out with  in days or two.

 If your left hand transferred 420 Million to your right hand, will you beat the drum as a very good transaction with huge profit? What is the purpose that the HEXP mentioned honestly about the word “subsidiary companies of Hayleys” and “common directors” in their announcements?  Your PV inner system possibly fabricated storey and how many peoples in the world accessible to your PV inner bullish?

Earlier when The Capital Trust dump JKHW00023 on retails head or Acuity stock brokers dump ALHP on retailers head or even your Bartleet stockers dump HEXP at 96, Have they claimed their responsibility? Or were their Name in company’s first ten share holders list? They had used only third party’s account to dump on others head

I reiterate or reaffirm any prudent concept following accountant or board of directors won’t allow the land sale proceeds to distribute as dividend with considerable proportion of land sale proceeds.

No point in arguing with fake recently opened ID profile with zero or one, two reputation point and less than 20 post, they are coming here for the course of HEXP and disappear or reborn with new ID profile after the manipulation of HEXP.
so true sangeetha.... well said

55Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:07 pm

Miss-Sangeetha

Miss-Sangeetha
Moderator
Moderator
@Rifanmoh wrote:It seems the Market did not understand/get attention of the huge profit that has been recorded in the books of HEXP.

Await the quarterly financial to reveal the reality. I am a professionally qualified Accountant working as an Accountant at one of the blue chip companies in Sri Lanka. There is no any doubt on the cash profit of Rs. 200 Mn + because of the sale of the land.

Just before the HEXP official announcement of great land sale Mr.Rifanmoh opened his ID profile called “Rifanmoh” for the cause of HEXP.


He even claimed himself as “ I am a professionally qualified Accountant working as an Accountant one of the Blue Chip companies in Sri Lanka”



This is similar to Idi Amin Ex-President of Uganda declared himself president through Military coup and decorated himself with all available qualification behind his name Or quack Doctors cheating and posing before the villagers as a Doctor


Here we can’t proof whether Mr.Rifanmoh is an Accountant or Eggcountant. But for the cause of manipulation they are ready to go down any level.
Mr.Rifanmoh, after 43 strong HEXP supporting posts, disappeared or reborn with new ID profile after seeing the HEXP reality.
But some of the intelligent experts in this forum even taking this as a challenge, that is "if these share doses not reach this price level, I will quit this forum". How nice is this? Usually quitting the forum (that is coming again with new ID profile), for this others should lose their life savings. They are our so called great experts in this forum.

56Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:07 am

Miss-Sangeetha

Miss-Sangeetha
Moderator
Moderator
Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Inkedp11 Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Teller15

Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Teller16

57Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:28 am

newer1


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic
Nicely miss sangeetha supporting for TELLER'S promotion in different way.GL

58Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:31 am

newer1


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic
or Miss sangeetha suffering with accumulated HEXP load at higher level.

59Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:43 am

Miss-Sangeetha

Miss-Sangeetha
Moderator
Moderator
@newer1 wrote:Nicely miss sangeetha supporting for TELLER'S promotion in different way.GL

No...No This is your god man Teller's statement as you said on Sep 14 year 2016Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Inkedn10

60Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:14 am

Wimal Modawansa

Wimal Modawansa
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
Is Abans Finance PLC in deep trouble and is for sale ? Profit is only Rs 100,000/= for February? Should I buy the rights @ 25.00 when it is trading @ 23.00 levels?

61Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:41 pm

Miss-Sangeetha

Miss-Sangeetha
Moderator
Moderator
@newer1 wrote:Nicely miss sangeetha supporting for TELLER'S promotion in different way.GL

 Teller’s henchman, rogue Hiransilva23, after canvassing for HEXP, dumped the HEXP on Newer1’s head at high price and climbing on newer1’s back to escape from HEXP.
Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Newr1_12  

Now newer1 supporting Teller, and searching for his victim to escape from HEXP. Now for Newer1, Teller is a god man until escape from HEXP, as the HEXP right issue on the Card.

Although this is a nursery going small kids story this is really happening in this forum See the full story below

62Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:39 pm

J-CAT

J-CAT
Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
Hiransilva 23 will be on this forum around 24 hours. Sometimes after 2 am he will be online in this forum, missing from last December.

Teller also informing or updating his foreign tour and other information continuously but suddenly missing for more than one month

63Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:21 pm

Miss-Sangeetha

Miss-Sangeetha
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Teller and Fox Hiransilva23
Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Teller17

64Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:42 am

Miss-Sangeetha

Miss-Sangeetha
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At time of fixing the exorbitant land sale price, Hayleys not expected the government’s introduction of capital gain tax; they fixed the unusual high price for their land sale mainly focused on their HEXP right issue.

Hayleys internal land sale between two subsidiaries sharing common directors are mainly limited to its documents and focused on HEXP right issue, but now HEXP facing unwanted capital gain tax burden because Hayleys fixed the exorbitant high price for land in last February year 2016, but the government introduced the capital gain tax on the later part of the year 2016, but may be the reason that they had mentioned the sharing common directors in their offical announcement to get Tax concessions.

But Teller fooled the forum members even with high value of dividend from this land sale.

Now Teller and his orchestra or bandwagon (mainly consist of Tellers victims) can issue short notice that if HEXP doesn’t reach the value of Rs.130 ~ 150/- level, we will quit this forum, as most of the ours so called experts are often saying this, but at whose expense? After plundering others money they are quitting the forum with heroism or majesty along with plundered money, that is mere changing their ID profile with new one without any pain.
Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Teller18

65Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Empty Re: Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP on Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:05 pm

Miss-Sangeetha

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Freedom of expression is everybody’s rights. Teller has the rights to express his opinions on any shares. But abusing his vested moderator’s power to remove others article to manipulate one his shares under the cover of gentleman is an unacceptable act.

 This is Tellers real face

On cutoff date JKH.W000, traded around one rupee but just before the cutoff date Teller said this
Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Teller19


Teller strongly promoted the AFSL, now see the plight of AFSL
Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Tell_a10

Teller promoted the HEXP on behalf of his boss to facilitate his boss’s ride on innocent investors back so many times
Teller, The Great Manipulator Of HEXP - Page 3 Teller20

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