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1Buy When There's Blood in the Streets Empty Buy When There's Blood in the Streets on Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:51 am

God Father


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
The worse things seem in the market, the better the opportunities are for profit is contrarian  investing at its heart.

Baron Rothschild, an 18th century British nobleman and member of the Rothschild  banking family, is credited with saying that "the time to buy is when there's blood in the streets."

He should know. Rothschild made a fortune buying in the panic that followed the Battle of Waterloo against Napoleon. But that's not the whole story. The original quote is believed to be "Buy when there's blood in the streets, even if the blood is your own."

Most people only want winners in their portfolios, but as Warren Buffett  warned "You pay a very high price in the stock market  for a cheery consensus." In other words, if everyone agrees with your investment decision, then it's probably not a good one.


Going Against the Crowd 

Contrarians, as the name implies, try to do the opposite of the crowd. They get excited when an otherwise good company has a sharp, but undeserved drop in share price . They swim against the current, and assume the market is usually wrong at both its extreme lows and highs. The more prices swing, the more misguided they believe the rest of the market to be.

A contrarian investor believes the people who say the market is going up do so only when they are fully invested and have no further purchasing power . At this point, the market is at a peak; when people predict a downturn, they have already sold out, at which point the market can only go up.


Bad Times Make for Good Buys 

Contrarian investors have historically made their best investments during times of market turmoil. During the crash of 1987  (also known as "Black Monday"), the Dow dropped 22% in one day in the U.S. In the 1973-74 bear market , the market lost 45% in about 22 months. The September 11, 2001, attacks also resulted in a sizable market drop. The list goes on and on, but those are times when contrarians found their best investments.

The 1973-74 bear market gave Warren Buffett the opportunity to purchase a stake in the Washington Post Company – an investment that has subsequently increased by more than 100-times the purchase price – that's before dividends are included. At the time, Buffett said he was buying shares in the company at a deep discount, as evidenced by the fact that the company could have "sold the (Post's) assets to any one of 10 buyers for not less than $400 million, probably appreciably more." Meanwhile, the Washington Post Company had only an $80 million market cap  at the time. In 2013, the company was sold to Amazon's billionaire CEO & founder Jeff Bezos for $250 million in cash.

After the September 11 terrorist attacks, the world stopped flying for awhile. Suppose that at this time, you had made an investment in Boeing (BA ), one of the world's largest builders of commercial aircraft. Boeing's stock didn't bottom until about a year after September 11, but from there, it rose more than four-times in value over the next five years. Clearly, although September 11th soured market sentiment  about the airline industry for quite some time, those who did their research and were willing to bet that Boeing would survive were well rewarded.

Also during that time, Marty Whitman, manager of the Third Avenue Value Fund, purchased bonds of K-Mart both before and after it filed for bankruptcy protection in 2002. He only paid about 20 cents on the dollar for the bonds. Even though for awhile it looked like the company would shut its doors for good, Whitman was vindicated when the company emerged from bankruptcy and his bonds were exchanged for stock in the new K-Mart. The shares jumped much higher in the years following the reorganization  before being taken over by Sears (SHLD), with a nice profit for Whitman. 

Sir John Templeton ran the Templeton Growth Fund from 1954 to 1992, when he sold it. Each $10,000 invested in the fund's Class A shares  in 1954 would have grown to $2 million by 1992, with dividends reinvested, or an annualized  return of about 14.5%. Templeton pioneered international investing . He was also a serious contrarian investor, buying into countries and companies when, according to his principle, they hit the "point of maximum pessimism."

As an example of this strategy, Templeton bought shares of every public European company at the outset of World War II in 1939, including many that were in bankruptcy. He did this with borrowed money to boot. After four years, he sold the shares for a very large profit.


The Risks of Contrarian Investing 

While the most famous contrarian investors put big money on the line, swam against the current of common opinion and came out on top, they also did some serious research to ensure that the crowd was indeed wrong. So, when a stock takes a nosedive, this doesn't prompt a contrarian investor to put in an immediate buy order, but to find out what has driven the stock down, and whether the drop in price is justified.

Figuring out which distressed stocks to buy and selling them once the company recovers is the major play for contrarian investors. This can lead to securities returning gains much higher than usual. However, being too optimistic on hyped stocks can have the opposite effect.

The Bottom Line 

While each of these successful contrarian investors has their own strategy for valuing potential investments, they all have the one strategy in common – they let the market bring the deals to them, rather than chasing after them.

2Buy When There's Blood in the Streets Empty Re: Buy When There's Blood in the Streets on Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:37 pm

Yahapalanaya

Yahapalanaya
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Basketball Basketball Basketball
"the time to buy is when there's blood in the streets."

3Buy When There's Blood in the Streets Empty Re: Buy When There's Blood in the Streets on Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:20 pm

Uaecoindubai

Uaecoindubai
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
My advise is dont buy any share ATM except 6 companies are ok in PV inners innovative positive trendz PF

4Buy When There's Blood in the Streets Empty Re: Buy When There's Blood in the Streets on Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:33 pm

Soilconomy


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic
@Uaecoindubai wrote:My advise is dont buy any share ATM  except 6 companies are ok in PV inners innovative positive trendz PF
Normally investors dont get advise from Kids  Razz Razz

5Buy When There's Blood in the Streets Empty Re: Buy When There's Blood in the Streets on Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:00 pm

sanjulanka


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@Soilconomy wrote:
@Uaecoindubai wrote:My advise is dont buy any share ATM  except 6 companies are ok in PV inners innovative positive trendz PF
Normally investors dont get advise from Kids  Razz Razz
Huta... Shocked Shocked Shocked Sad Sad Sad

6Buy When There's Blood in the Streets Empty Re: Buy When There's Blood in the Streets on Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:48 pm

hammurabi

hammurabi
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
A very good article. Much appreciated 

@God Father wrote:The worse things seem in the market, the better the opportunities are for profit is contrarian  investing at its heart.

Baron Rothschild, an 18th century British nobleman and member of the Rothschild  banking family, is credited with saying that "the time to buy is when there's blood in the streets."

He should know. Rothschild made a fortune buying in the panic that followed the Battle of Waterloo against Napoleon. But that's not the whole story. The original quote is believed to be "Buy when there's blood in the streets, even if the blood is your own."

Most people only want winners in their portfolios, but as Warren Buffett  warned "You pay a very high price in the stock market  for a cheery consensus." In other words, if everyone agrees with your investment decision, then it's probably not a good one.


Going Against the Crowd 



Contrarians, as the name implies, try to do the opposite of the crowd. They get excited when an otherwise good company has a sharp, but undeserved drop in share price . They swim against the current, and assume the market is usually wrong at both its extreme lows and highs. The more prices swing, the more misguided they believe the rest of the market to be.

A contrarian investor believes the people who say the market is going up do so only when they are fully invested and have no further purchasing power . At this point, the market is at a peak; when people predict a downturn, they have already sold out, at which point the market can only go up.


Bad Times Make for Good Buys 



Contrarian investors have historically made their best investments during times of market turmoil. During the crash of 1987  (also known as "Black Monday"), the Dow dropped 22% in one day in the U.S. In the 1973-74 bear market , the market lost 45% in about 22 months. The September 11, 2001, attacks also resulted in a sizable market drop. The list goes on and on, but those are times when contrarians found their best investments.

The 1973-74 bear market gave Warren Buffett the opportunity to purchase a stake in the Washington Post Company – an investment that has subsequently increased by more than 100-times the purchase price – that's before dividends are included. At the time, Buffett said he was buying shares in the company at a deep discount, as evidenced by the fact that the company could have "sold the (Post's) assets to any one of 10 buyers for not less than $400 million, probably appreciably more." Meanwhile, the Washington Post Company had only an $80 million market cap  at the time. In 2013, the company was sold to Amazon's billionaire CEO & founder Jeff Bezos for $250 million in cash.

After the September 11 terrorist attacks, the world stopped flying for awhile. Suppose that at this time, you had made an investment in Boeing (BA ), one of the world's largest builders of commercial aircraft. Boeing's stock didn't bottom until about a year after September 11, but from there, it rose more than four-times in value over the next five years. Clearly, although September 11th soured market sentiment  about the airline industry for quite some time, those who did their research and were willing to bet that Boeing would survive were well rewarded.

Also during that time, Marty Whitman, manager of the Third Avenue Value Fund, purchased bonds of K-Mart both before and after it filed for bankruptcy protection in 2002. He only paid about 20 cents on the dollar for the bonds. Even though for awhile it looked like the company would shut its doors for good, Whitman was vindicated when the company emerged from bankruptcy and his bonds were exchanged for stock in the new K-Mart. The shares jumped much higher in the years following the reorganization  before being taken over by Sears (SHLD), with a nice profit for Whitman. 

Sir John Templeton ran the Templeton Growth Fund from 1954 to 1992, when he sold it. Each $10,000 invested in the fund's Class A shares  in 1954 would have grown to $2 million by 1992, with dividends reinvested, or an annualized  return of about 14.5%. Templeton pioneered international investing . He was also a serious contrarian investor, buying into countries and companies when, according to his principle, they hit the "point of maximum pessimism."

As an example of this strategy, Templeton bought shares of every public European company at the outset of World War II in 1939, including many that were in bankruptcy. He did this with borrowed money to boot. After four years, he sold the shares for a very large profit.


The Risks of Contrarian Investing 



While the most famous contrarian investors put big money on the line, swam against the current of common opinion and came out on top, they also did some serious research to ensure that the crowd was indeed wrong. So, when a stock takes a nosedive, this doesn't prompt a contrarian investor to put in an immediate buy order, but to find out what has driven the stock down, and whether the drop in price is justified.

Figuring out which distressed stocks to buy and selling them once the company recovers is the major play for contrarian investors. This can lead to securities returning gains much higher than usual. However, being too optimistic on hyped stocks can have the opposite effect.

The Bottom Line 



While each of these successful contrarian investors has their own strategy for valuing potential investments, they all have the one strategy in common – they let the market bring the deals to them, rather than chasing after them.

7Buy When There's Blood in the Streets Empty Re: Buy When There's Blood in the Streets on Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:46 pm

Yahapalanaya

Yahapalanaya
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
@Yahapalanaya wrote:Basketball Basketball Basketball
"the time to buy is when there's blood in the streets."
Now get ready to sell the stockes to Maharajah and his coolies.... Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

8Buy When There's Blood in the Streets Empty Re: Buy When There's Blood in the Streets on Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:32 am

Quibit

Quibit
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Corona in the york street.

9Buy When There's Blood in the Streets Empty Re: Buy When There's Blood in the Streets on Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:00 pm

thankrishan


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Yes, i agree. Buy if it is RED. But the issue is will this be the bottom line? High possibility to further reduce. So observe carefully and buy at discount.

Patience is the key.

10Buy When There's Blood in the Streets Empty Re: Buy When There's Blood in the Streets on Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:48 pm

bhanu


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
No one can time the market. May be now we can start collecting

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