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Setting up a legalised casino: Good or bad?

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sriranga

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By R.M.B.Senanayake

An issue that is highlighted in the newspapers now is about the Government planning to allow a foreign businessman to set up a casino. The Opposition has criticised the proposal although casinos were allowed to operate during the time of the UNP governments as well.

Of course the argument against them is now couched in terms of the moral dimension. Is gambling inherently immoral? Buddhist monks say so. But we already have lotteries run by the Government.

The British colonial ruler banned cockfighting – a village sport popular in certain parts of the country and hence gambling is not entirely absent from our ancient culture. Villagers are known to take bets on future events like which party will win an election.

The gambling spirit seems to be inherent in mankind. Generally we all know that gambling implies taking some sort of risk. In other words, people bet (usually money) with the hope of winning something (usually money) without being aware of what the outcome will be. Is it morally wrong?

Ongoing debate
There is a debate over whether or not gambling can be good for an economy. Paul Samuelson Nobel Laureate thought it is harmful to the economy. He said: “(Gambling) involves simply sterile transfers of money or goods between individuals, creating no new money or goods. Although it creates no output, gambling does nevertheless absorb time and resources. Gambling subtracts from the national income.”

Other economists point out that this criticism could be applied to many entertainment activities as well.

These are products that don’t add to the ability of the economy to produce more. But they still have value because they provide satisfaction, or utility (in the economist’s jargon), to consumers. These economists are more concerned about the costs of banning gambling instead. They point out that where there are illegal casinos there are law enforcement costs and the incentives to lobby and bribe public officials to allow illegal gambling to occur.

A powerful economic development tool?
Some economists say gambling can be a powerful economic development tool. Gambling is a thriving industry in America. Gambling generates billions of dollars of tax revenue every year similar to the Ceylon
Tobacco contributions to our own Government revenue.

Las Vegas is a testament of the powerful ability of gambling to foster economic development. Because of gambling, Las Vegas has shown impressive job growth, developed into a major city with a low tax burden that has spawned significant private and public sector investment. But Las Vegas also tends to have a wide variety of social ills associated with it, given the high out of state and tourist population. No studies have examined whether those are really associated with gambling, or with the transient population.

Economists also refer to Atlantic City. It used to be a slum by the sea, and now, it’s a slum by the sea with casinos.

The basic criteria for economic development success is for a project to increase a region’s net exports.

Specifically, the amount of goods or services that are exported needs to be increased or the amount that are imported decreased. This is the only way that income can increase.

Projects can certainly be an overall economic success in terms of profit without doing either of these, but those profits come at the expense of other businesses, say some economists.

Positive or negative economic impact?
Various factors come to play in determining if gaming has a positive or negative economic impact. The basic economic impacts include the construction of a casino which leads to many jobs for construction employees and suppliers, employees to staff the casino, and the suppliers for an ongoing casino. Multiplier effects then ripple throughout the overall economy.

But just because a gambling project creates a lot of jobs and a large facility is built it doesn’t mean the economic impacts are positive. Non-economic impacts such as social costs are usually intangible, difficult to measure, and on say those who oppose casinos.

The benefit for a region however is if the transfers of money are made from outside of the region. If tourists arrive in larger numbers because of the casinos then the economic effects are positive.

Gambling is often legalised to promote economic development of depressed areas. That was an important motivation in Las Vegas, Atlantic City, New Jersey,

A casino here will have to be patronised largely by foreigners and this should draw more funds as well as more tourists. Any industry that draws money from outside is helpful and has a case for it. There could be an influx of funds and even some investment from abroad. The Australian businessman will have to bring in money to set up the casino here and this will help us in our present foreign exchange crisis.

What is in dispute are the social costs and the extent to which the local residents will be harmed. How many local residents will be attracted to such a casino and how will they be affected? In my opinion not many and even they will be those who make easy money through corruption and unproductive enterprises.

Easy come easy go is a saying with regard to money.

It will contribute to increased government revenue. Politicians and the public are naturally attracted to an industry that is willing to pay 20 to 30% of its gross revenues as taxes. Also, gambling is seen as a source of money that is easier to obtain because it is not a tax on individuals.

Gambling has become a very accepted way for governments to raise funds such as the running of lotteries. But it should not be viewed as a panacea for the fiscal woes of the state. Casino gaming is more appropriately viewed as an amenity that can be a cornerstone in the local tourism/entertainment market.

Setting up a legalised casino: Good or bad? 2810

Social costs
Social costs are the costs borne by society as a whole that result from the behaviour of the “problem gambler”. Any habit can and will be abused by some people, be they problem gamblers or problem drinkers.

There will undoubtedly be some Sri Lankans who will patronise the casino and there may be problem gamblers among them.

Social costs that result from gambling may include increased rates of suicide, car accidents and incidence of child abuse, divorces and depression. Other social costs may involve employment costs, loss of work, bad debts, civil court costs, criminal justice costs, therapy and welfare. But what will be the magnitude of its incidence here in our country? Maybe an insignificant incidence. We have to assess costs versus benefits and take a decision rationally rather than emotionally.

Economist Frank J. Fahrenkopf Jr. who carried out extensive research on casinos, believes that commercial casinos are key contributors to the economic well being of the communities that host them; their tax revenues help to provide much-needed jobs and benefits to thousands of Americans. To further emphasise the legitimacy this industry, Fahrenkopf says he found “no link between gambling and bankruptcy or gambling and crime”.
http://www.ft.lk/2013/10/23/setting-up-a-legalised-casino-good-or-bad/

http://sharemarket-srilanka.blogspot.co.uk/

Kithsiri

Kithsiri
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

Detache religions from politics, then the answers to such dilemmas can easily be found.
(ask what people want but give them only what the need).

hunter

hunter
Moderator
Moderator

I tend to agree with the idea that Gambling can be viewed as an entertainment industry.
Gambling house make entertainment available for customers; customers willingly make payments as bets.
The same is applicable for similar industries;
Movies
Musical shows
Shopping malls
Theme parks etc.

When it comes to Buddhism, it teaches indulging in pleasing or suffering senses should be avoided if you need to understand the reality. So according to Buddhism, there are many 'useless', 'immoral' activities we are doing already.



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Market.Player

Market.Player
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

BAD

Arena


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

Just think about the social effect of night clubs. Even night clubs at Ahirugiriiay (A crap one) and Thalawathugoda are full in every day and hav e more than 20 to 30 girls. Some time more than 50 inside the clube.

Now this spread like a spam and there are friends of me who visit these plays daily. just think i live in 25 Km away from colombo but this is the situation. If another couple of clubs open in Maharagam and Kottawa means that is the end of social life.

We should think about our childrends. I dont think they will have the same tolarance and capacity like I/You have to use these places carefully. Only owners of these places will get more and more richer every day. But as a tourist destination we need couple of casinos as well................In that sense we need to leagalize prostitution as well..........Very Happy 

CASINO means.....................CASH IN, NO OUT........
lol



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Kithsiri

Kithsiri
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

Market.Player wrote:BAD
Why So?
Please enlighten the forum .

Backstage

Backstage
Moderator
Moderator

"When it comes to Buddhism, it teaches indulging in pleasing or suffering senses should be avoided if you need to understand the reality. So according to Buddhism, there are many 'useless', 'immoral' activities we are doing already."

Buddhism does not preach morality, it is the present day interpreters of Buddhism that do. Buddha simply pointed out what was skillful and unskillful. Not good or bad or evil. Rules were laid out for the Sangha not the laity.

wiki


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

We have to realize that development we achieved up to now in any part of the world is done by going opposite direction of teaching of all religions..

Hawk Eye

Hawk Eye
Expert
Expert

Its very bad for a country like us.

I am scared about innocent poeple from rural area getting attracted to this industry to earn dirty money, easy money. Its going to dstrcut our culture on the long run

Its just like (Politicians) saying because they dont have good income they allow a casino to operate in their house, involving their family.

For our politicians country comes second. just look at the recent records. So we have to expect these

- Head of the local council -Akuressa (rape alegation 14 yr old)
- Urban councillor -Tangalle (rape alegation 13 yr old)
- Powerful politicians trafficking in drugs
- Importing heroin in 40 ft containers
- Rape every 90 minutes – victims aged 4- 95 years



Redbulls

Redbulls
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics

“It is generally agreed that casinos should, in the public interest, be inaccessible and expensive. And perhaps the same is true of stock exchanges.” - John Maynard Keynes

Borrowed from the following link.
http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t30310-what-is-the-difference-between-gambling-and-investing?highlight=gambling

Chinwi

Chinwi
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics

Redbulls wrote:“It is generally agreed that casinos should, in the public interest, be inaccessible and expensive. And perhaps the same is true of stock exchanges.” - John Maynard Keynes

Borrowed from the following link.
http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t30310-what-is-the-difference-between-gambling-and-investing?highlight=gambling
මටත් හිතෙන ලෙස ලංකාවෙ මිනිස්සු සංඛ්‍යාත්මක වශයෙන් ඉතා වැඩි ප්‍රමාණයක් මුදල් නැතිකරගෙන විනාස වෙන්නෙ කැසිනෝ වලට වඩා කොටස් වෙලෙඳ පොල නිසා.
ඒකත් තහනම් කලාම වැඩේ ඉවරයි.

D.G.Dayaratne


Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

We have to follow middle path Casino is not good or bad

All depend on how we handle it

 Too much tax concessions may be connected with personal gains to certain people

Buddhist countries like Thailand use Casino for the benefit of the country

worthiness


Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

Many activities ( illegal ) get involved with casino business which is part & parcel of such kind of entertainment. Strict law & order in action could be able to monitor such elements balancing the investment opportunities & the social moral. What we are really lacking is transparency of the entire casino deal which should be placed for open discussion for others opinions. Honesty is the missing element among the authorities that leads to misinterpretations in the political career.

Aubrey Perera


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

Casino's have been in operation for years now !!! why the fuss now? drinking, smoking , drugs , CSE , Mahajana Sampatha it's each individual choice. I agree that all casino's should be regulated and even brothels should be made legal and regulated as well. this way it might reduce the rape cases and incest that is rampant in the whole country. We like to talk about our culture and heritage for everything. but let's look at this with an open mind. Rural people have bigger issues to deal with , don't think they are concerned about casino's they worry about drinking kassipu and smoking beedi and assaulting their wives and abusing them. On the other hand our women are sent to middle eastern countries and are tortured and sexually abused there, whils some of the husbands abuse the children. We have so many social ills but decide to focus on a casino that will be built in COLOMBO. Typical narrow minded thinking .

Kithsiri

Kithsiri
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

Aubrey Perera wrote:Casino's have been in operation for years now !!! why the fuss now? drinking, smoking , drugs , CSE , Mahajana Sampatha it's each individual choice. I agree that all casino's should be regulated and even brothels should be made legal and regulated as well. this way it might reduce the rape cases and incest that is rampant in the whole country. We like to talk about our culture and heritage for everything. but let's look at this with an open mind. Rural people have bigger issues to deal with , don't think they are concerned about casino's they worry about drinking kassipu and smoking beedi and assaulting their wives and abusing them. On the other hand our women are sent to middle eastern countries and are tortured and sexually abused there, whils some of the husbands abuse the children. We have so many social ills but decide to focus on a casino that will be built in COLOMBO. Typical narrow minded thinking .
Well Said. Very Happy 

D.G.Dayaratne


Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

Kithsiri is 100% correct. most of intelligent people  except extremist think like  him.

My problem is not casino But giving too much tax concession

econ

econ
Global Moderator

but this government came to power with the support of nationalists and religious leaders who against casiinos and alcohol etc..Very Happy 

D.G.Dayaratne


Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

Prostitution was there even lord Buddha's time

Lord Buddha accepted invitation for DANA by a  prostitute

You can see  a Game like Casino during MOHENJAJARO-HARAPPA time

games are part of  Human civilization

Hawk Eye

Hawk Eye
Expert
Expert

.... the greatest danger posed by the casino is not anything that can be determined by economic analysis, because the greatest injury caused by gambling is not financial — it is moral

........You can dress a casino up to look like a family resort. You can disguise a casino as a high-end hotel. Nevertheless, the casino remains what it is — an engine for capturing wealth from those who are enticed to enter. State governments that authorize casino gambling are also authorizing the fleecing of their own citizens......

.....In Gambling in America: Costs and Benefits, Grinols developed a sophisticated cost-benefit analysis in order to determine whether casinos are actually helping society, or causing harm..His verdict: “The evidence indicates that casino gambling fails a cost-benefit test by a wide margin.”...As Grinols documented, other problems associated with casinos include marital breakup, the abandonment of children, psychological stress, loss of employment, and suicide.

To read full article

http://www.albertmohler.com/2012/02/21/casino-culture-and-the-collapse-of-character/

rainmaker


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

Casinos are extremely expensive to run.... 80% of the profit comes from the top 20% gamblers

However in Asian countries entertainment is cheap so these "integrated resorts" should be more profitable than western ones.

Sidath

Sidath
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

what about horse racing? and lotteries? You have a better chance at the casino then at winning lotteries. Both these are used by the poorest people.

wellappili


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic

Next would be leagalizing pros....tongue 

Jiggysaurus

Jiggysaurus
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

wellappili wrote:Next would be leagalizing pros....tongue 
Now that's a good idea, Sri-Lanka needs to get some jiggy.

lakshanraj

lakshanraj
Stock Analytic
Stock Analytic

^ lol! 

Sidath

Sidath
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Jiggysaurus wrote:
Now that's a good idea, Sri-Lanka needs to get some jiggy.
Very Happy 

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