Bull Run today

today there will be a bull run due to the positive election results,,,, Wat do u think?

ndnk wrote:today there will be a bull run due to the positive election results,,,, Wat do u think?

Probably It could be happened.

yes, and could be continue next week, go for bluechips.

Green chips like CARS , JKH are also bullish.

Bull has run into the Forest.....

ndnk wrote:today there will be a bull run due to the positive election results,,,, Wat do u think?

yes yes ,my dear..BULL ran away. it is a kind of "BULL RUN"

xmart wrote:

ndnk wrote:today there will be a bull run due to the positive election results,,,, Wat do u think?

yes yes ,my dear..BULL ran away. it is a kind of "BULL RUN"

Well the bull didnt run far enough to pass the previous days low. please take that into account. there are chickens among bulls too

gann wrote:

xmart wrote:

ndnk wrote:today there will be a bull run due to the positive election results,,,, Wat do u think?

yes yes ,my dear..BULL ran away. it is a kind of "BULL RUN"

Well the bull didnt run far enough to pass the previous days low. please take that into account. there are chickens among bulls too

If you find yourself in the bottom of a deep hole, the first thing to do is stop digging


Most of the fundamentally strong shares are now at the bottom level. Long term investors are holding on to them. It is unfair by the investors who do not have any credits also to suffer. As there were two days of green and a slight drop again, hopefully next week onwards things will improve.

gann wrote:

xmart wrote:

ndnk wrote:today there will be a bull run due to the positive election results,,,, Wat do u think?

yes yes ,my dear..BULL ran away. it is a kind of "BULL RUN"

Well the bull didnt run far enough to pass the previous days low. please take that into account. there are chickens among bulls too

Will he continue to run next week and beat the previous week low? Yeah...agree with you...chickens seems to be an exemption yesturday...

Aamiable wrote:

gann wrote:

xmart wrote:

ndnk wrote:today there will be a bull run due to the positive election results,,,, Wat do u think?

yes yes ,my dear..BULL ran away. it is a kind of "BULL RUN"

Well the bull didnt run far enough to pass the previous days low. please take that into account. there are chickens among bulls too

If you find yourself in the bottom of a deep hole, the first thing to do is stop digging

Most of the fundamentally strong shares are now at the bottom level.

How do you know that these are bottoms?

tubal wrote:

Aamiable wrote:

gann wrote:

xmart wrote:

ndnk wrote:today there will be a bull run due to the positive election results,,,, Wat do u think?

yes yes ,my dear..BULL ran away. it is a kind of "BULL RUN"

Well the bull didnt run far enough to pass the previous days low. please take that into account. there are chickens among bulls too

If you find yourself in the bottom of a deep hole, the first thing to do is stop digging

Most of the fundamentally strong shares are now at the bottom level.

How do you know that these are bottoms?

@tubal, because he bought them at this level thinking it is bottom. then he don't want to see them to go further down. called him long term blaa bla bla.. and meanwhile, innocent attempt to up the market by promoting!
someone said, trade with trends and charts not with emotions!

tubal wrote:
How do you know that these are bottoms?

Same question can be rephrased ...
How do you know this is not the bottom?

If you apply fundamental analysis...PER/PBV all kind of ratios one will agree that most of the stocks are very attractive. Yet many shy away to buy at these prices attempting to
find the so called "BOTTOM". Thats why we see these bear market rallies time to time. But one of these rallies will definitely be the real thing. Also take note that only a hand full of speculators will be able to grab at the bottom prices. Kind of like playing Musical chairs.

gann wrote:

tubal wrote:
How do you know that these are bottoms?

Same question can be rephrased ...
How do you know this is not the bottom?

If you apply fundamental analysis...PER/PBV all kind of ratios one will agree that most of the stocks are very attractive. Yet many shy away to buy at these prices attempting to
find the so called "BOTTOM". Thats why we see these bear market rallies time to time. But one of these rallies will definitely be the real thing. Also take note that only a hand full of speculators will be able to grab at the bottom prices. Kind of like playing Musical chairs.

Gann, No one knows that these are bottoms or just another dip in a long downtrend. As a technical analyst I think you will be very familiar with the phrase 'Catching falling knives'.

Talking of falling knifes... I would like to share this piece of info with you all

One of the most common mistakes made by inexperienced investors is trying to "catch a falling knife". This is the phrase used to describe the habit of buying stocks that are in "freefall", and is a poor strategy, albeit common among new investors. Sadly, it is a common practice even among old and experienced investors. I've even fallen prey to it myself.

Remember, there are two primary approaches to investing: fundamental analysis and technical analysis. We generally fall into the fundamental camp, since we evaluate stocks based upon their valuations, rather than looking primarily at their short-term price movements. We take this direction because we believe this provides the greatest potential for long-term success.

A single-minded view of only the fundamentals of an investment, however, can limit an investor's profits and lead to some unpleasant positions. This is because there are real limitations to buying a stock as it falls. One may purchase a stock that appears to be a great value at $10, only to see it fall to $5. Surely, if the stock rises again to $20, you may have been "right" to buy at $10, but one might argue that you weren't "right enough". Buying at 5 would have yielded a 300% return, while you settled for only 100%. Furthermore, if you were convinced that $10 is a reasonable price, you might have saved time by buying it on the way back up instead of on the way down.

It is quite simple - buying a stock that is in mid-fall is not a pleasant experience, and it isn't difficult to come up with a variety of other strategies that would bring happier outcomes.

Still, we mustn't avoid all stocks which have dropped. In fact, studies have shown that investors who buy stocks which have fallen hard tend to outperform the market on a regular basis. In fact, such a bottom-fishing strategy can provide one of the best performance levels of all strategy sets. Missing out on these opportunities can be costly.

The decision then is not whether to buy "fallen angels", but WHEN. This is where a tad of technical analysis skill comes in handy. While technical tools can't really tell you which stocks to buy (unless you're willing to buy any piece of junk that happens to have good price momentum), it can lead us to a better understanding of timing. Once we have selected a good investment based on fundamentals, it is time to decide when to put the money down.

A good first step is to watch for a positive movement on good volume before committing. As long as the stock is dropping, there is a good chance you may get it at a better price. Better to wait a few days (or weeks) to assure your purchase is timed appropriately. There's no advantage to buying before the time is right, even if the choice of stock is ideal. It is here that patience is a virtue. Don't try to catch falling knives, but be sure to pick them up after they hit the floor.

By: Scott Pearson

gann wrote:Talking of falling knifes... I would like to share this piece of info with you all

One of the most common mistakes made by inexperienced investors is trying to "catch a falling knife". This is the phrase used to describe the habit of buying stocks that are in "freefall", and is a poor strategy, albeit common among new investors. Sadly, it is a common practice even among old and experienced investors. I've even fallen prey to it myself.

Remember, there are two primary approaches to investing: fundamental analysis and technical analysis. We generally fall into the fundamental camp, since we evaluate stocks based upon their valuations, rather than looking primarily at their short-term price movements. We take this direction because we believe this provides the greatest potential for long-term success.

A single-minded view of only the fundamentals of an investment, however, can limit an investor's profits and lead to some unpleasant positions. This is because there are real limitations to buying a stock as it falls. One may purchase a stock that appears to be a great value at $10, only to see it fall to $5. Surely, if the stock rises again to $20, you may have been "right" to buy at $10, but one might argue that you weren't "right enough". Buying at 5 would have yielded a 300% return, while you settled for only 100%. Furthermore, if you were convinced that $10 is a reasonable price, you might have saved time by buying it on the way back up instead of on the way down.

It is quite simple - buying a stock that is in mid-fall is not a pleasant experience, and it isn't difficult to come up with a variety of other strategies that would bring happier outcomes.

Still, we mustn't avoid all stocks which have dropped. In fact, studies have shown that investors who buy stocks which have fallen hard tend to outperform the market on a regular basis. In fact, such a bottom-fishing strategy can provide one of the best performance levels of all strategy sets. Missing out on these opportunities can be costly.

The decision then is not whether to buy "fallen angels", but WHEN. This is where a tad of technical analysis skill comes in handy. While technical tools can't really tell you which stocks to buy (unless you're willing to buy any piece of junk that happens to have good price momentum), it can lead us to a better understanding of timing. Once we have selected a good investment based on fundamentals, it is time to decide when to put the money down.

A good first step is to watch for a positive movement on good volume before committing. As long as the stock is dropping, there is a good chance you may get it at a better price. Better to wait a few days (or weeks) to assure your purchase is timed appropriately. There's no advantage to buying before the time is right, even if the choice of stock is ideal. It is here that patience is a virtue. Don't try to catch falling knives, but be sure to pick them up after they hit the floor.

By: Scott Pearson

Good article thanks for sharing.

@gann: Excellent advice; I needed to read that article about 'falling knives'; + for you!

I was a hard-core fundamental analyst and had generally been ignoring technicals. I must give credit to SLEF (esp. people like you and tubal) for re-opening my eyes to the benefits of technical analysis.

gann wrote:Talking of falling knifes... I would like to share this piece of info with you all

One of the most common mistakes made by inexperienced investors is trying to "catch a falling knife". This is the phrase used to describe the habit of buying stocks that are in "freefall", and is a poor strategy, albeit common among new investors. Sadly, it is a common practice even among old and experienced investors. I've even fallen prey to it myself.

Remember, there are two primary approaches to investing: fundamental analysis and technical analysis. We generally fall into the fundamental camp, since we evaluate stocks based upon their valuations, rather than looking primarily at their short-term price movements. We take this direction because we believe this provides the greatest potential for long-term success.

A single-minded view of only the fundamentals of an investment, however, can limit an investor's profits and lead to some unpleasant positions. This is because there are real limitations to buying a stock as it falls. One may purchase a stock that appears to be a great value at $10, only to see it fall to $5. Surely, if the stock rises again to $20, you may have been "right" to buy at $10, but one might argue that you weren't "right enough". Buying at 5 would have yielded a 300% return, while you settled for only 100%. Furthermore, if you were convinced that $10 is a reasonable price, you might have saved time by buying it on the way back up instead of on the way down.

It is quite simple - buying a stock that is in mid-fall is not a pleasant experience, and it isn't difficult to come up with a variety of other strategies that would bring happier outcomes.

Still, we mustn't avoid all stocks which have dropped. In fact, studies have shown that investors who buy stocks which have fallen hard tend to outperform the market on a regular basis. In fact, such a bottom-fishing strategy can provide one of the best performance levels of all strategy sets. Missing out on these opportunities can be costly.

The decision then is not whether to buy "fallen angels", but WHEN. This is where a tad of technical analysis skill comes in handy. While technical tools can't really tell you which stocks to buy (unless you're willing to buy any piece of junk that happens to have good price momentum), it can lead us to a better understanding of timing. Once we have selected a good investment based on fundamentals, it is time to decide when to put the money down.

A good first step is to watch for a positive movement on good volume before committing. As long as the stock is dropping, there is a good chance you may get it at a better price. Better to wait a few days (or weeks) to assure your purchase is timed appropriately. There's no advantage to buying before the time is right, even if the choice of stock is ideal. It is here that patience is a virtue. Don't try to catch falling knives, but be sure to pick them up after they hit the floor.

By: Scott Pearson

Good one Gann. I consider myself a medium to long term investor but there are many good points in there to consider.

Most of the shares in my portfolio depreciated during the last two to three weeks. Even shares like JKH and COMB came down. For JKH and COMB this look like the bottom, it is very difficult to identify the exact bottom level, I may not catch the real bottom, however, I find current levels are good enough bargain prices and collected few. Only shares in my portfolio maintained share prices stable without going down during this period were GUAR, CONN, CARS and HDFC. Some of these shares are somewhat resistant to price depreciation. If I wait until it goes up I might miss the bottom, I collected few shares when they are at reasonably low levels.

News over rule any tech analysis in a flash !
Tech analysis is very popular and used among traders , money managers but basically does not work in manipulated markets. The inputs are fraudulent and the results just can't be reliable (shit always in, and out).

Therefore you shouldn't be using or rely the rules of technical analysis blindly in a manipulated markets or in a index if you don't have the insider information or other under the table deals to figure out and to eliminate the effects of the manipulations .

An experienced technical analyst can judge in a matter of seconds if the stock is manipulated or not

gann wrote:An experienced technical analyst can judge in a matter of seconds if the stock is manipulated or not

if u don't mind can u share some of the shares that u think manipulated in ASI and can prove from a technical analyst point of view please .



P.S
if u really don't like to mention them in the forum please feel free to send me a personal msg

I am taking a part of xyz's and zyx's bar charts to illustrate my point.
See those unusual number of gap ups and downs and lack of harmony. (just one of many to consider)



Technical's are used to measure human emotions (greed/fear/hope etc) and which is stronger at the time. So they work only on stocks with high volume and wide public participation. so the effect of manupulation is negligible. Manipulation is part of the game. There is no stock in the world thats not Manipulated.

I do not keep an open position for more than three days. If you are a long term player use tec for timing of entry and potential reversals periods.

a classic chart of someone dumping


every time the stock try to rally a load of stocks dumped but making sure to keep the price fluctuations within a tight range and above price x

gann wrote:



I am taking a part of xyz's and zyx's bar charts to illustrate my point.
See those unusual number of gap ups and downs and lack of harmony. (just one of many to consider)



Technical's are used to measure human emotions (greed/fear/hope etc) and which is stronger at the time. So they work only on stocks with high volume and wide public participation. so the effect of manupulation is negligible. Manipulation is part of the game. There is no stock in the world thats not Manipulated.

I do not keep an open position for more than three days. If you are a long term player use tec for timing of entry and potential reversals periods.

well i can not detect the manipulation on above two charts since it doesn't feature price and time axis . but we all know WAPO and ECL was manipulated.

gann wrote:a classic chart of someone dumping


every time the stock try to rally a load of stocks dumped but making sure to keep the price fluctuations within a tight range and above price x

ya but this share is in a down word trend at the moment thanks to Mr S. C Rxxxxxxxx . why did he dump 400,000 of shares on 0x march