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Delusional memory and negativity

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1Delusional memory and negativity Empty Delusional memory and negativity Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:08 pm

aj


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

I'm going to take an everyday example and describe it as it is. If you can understand this, you will see it. This would be an exercise in thinking differently. To understand the following you also need memory, something Sri Lankans lack.

I'm going the describe the Parliament road and around Parliament junction, most of you must be familiar. When you travel along on it, you must have thought, Wow, this is development, look at those Hansa bottu. Look how nice it is.(By the way I think Hansa bottu design is so stupid. Because the people who are inside get blocked best part of the front view by the neck of the swan. Have you thought about it? That's not negativity. That's the reality)

How many times can you remember this road was carpeted in the last 5 years and still break? I remember they applied a fresh layer of carpet some months before the SAARC conference that was held few years ago. And then the road was degraded that they applied another layer of carpet just before SAARC in a hurry. But that didn't work. The road had to be carpeted again just a few months again. A normal road properly constructed should last 10 years with minimal maintenance. This is not that they are paid cheap. It's just not made right. Check in your area how many newly carpeted roads have the edges eroding away just months after carpeting. Waste. Those are built on loans.

How many times have you seen the cement blocks in the islands being replaced in the last 5 years? I remember many times. Seeing those existing blocks pulled off and new ones stacked there was a common occurrence, I wonder why they're being replaced so many times. All these rebuilding costs money and materials.

I've seen those cement tiles in the pavement being laid, again crushed like they were made from flour again replaced. If you walk around you will see the areas that were newly laid just months after they were built. And the quality of those tiles? No two tiles are level that you can't walk without looking carefully because your foot would stick between the uneven planes. What if something heavy goes on top of that? They will get crushed like flour. You may have seen those blocks crushed at places or sank. A proper pavement should be level and should withstand heavy load.

How many times have they changed the route layout in the parliament road. I see even now they are breaking the newly built islands and making new ones to change the path. Can you remember there were large trees brought and planted, grass and islands on the welikada area where there were some vegetable shops were. Now it's again demolished and they're using granite blocks to make new constructions. I'm sure few months from now you'll see those granite blocks fallen from here and there. Then may be we'll see another construction. I guess constructors need work too.

Now they have built a new temp bridge. Some say they are supposed to elevate the bridge so that boats can go under it. Do we have any other priorities? Is that the most needed thing? Just a couple of km to colombo side we have a 2 lane bridge for a four lane road, a bottleneck. Wouldn't that be more important than sending boats under the bridge?

Some days ago they broke the newly built pavement to stick some luminous sticks every 2m on the road. Few days ago they have removed most of them only the broken holes remain in the newly built red brick pavement. Now most are gone. Only holes are there. Sri Lankan planning. Those holes will increase the degradation of the already sloppily made job and make the next replacment of the tiles much sooner. They also have some on the road, twisted by vehicles just days after placing them. They will become a hazard soon. Did I tell you about the existing luminous sticks with ropes that were there before. There are pieces here and there and some ropes. Most of them are hazards with sharp spikes now. They lasted how many years?

Can you remember the large ornamantal trees in pots that were placed along the road? Not just there but at many places around Colombo. What happened to them? How much do you think one of those large ornamental trees cost? Can you remember there were huge Boganvilia trees in large cylinders along the parliament road? You can still see the white paint that was dripped to the pavement at place where they were. Those Boganvilia trees were covering the 2 foot path way where pedestrians were supposed to walk. Nice planning. What happened to them? How much do you think one would cost? Just the cost of the cement ring? Can you even remember?

I remember they built a glass covered bus halt, completed and then demolished just days after that. The newly built pavement was a mess after that. They tiled the area again.

Aren't there lots of nice lights along the edge of the oya. Even if you don't have a diploma in Artchitecture you should know that when lighting a place like this you should not direct the light to the eye but instead to the footpath, no lights like keeping a lamp on a pedestal. You should not use big round lampshades, those are easily breakable on public places. You only need one stone, it becomes a hazard. Instead you should have either very low footpath lights to stop light polluting the scenery. Nope putting lights would be enough in big globes at eye level.

They have dug the oya and just as well filled and made a very complex structure of concrete platform with modern looking white canopies and all. The question one should ask is who's going to get to do business on these newly built facilities along the most expensive development? Will it be given to 'private investors' like that ceylinco property was given to maryiett hotel owners.

Properly built road should withstand 10 years unless something like Tsunami hits it. This parliament road construction looks like the overall planning and development of Sri Lanka. Wasteful, no priorities and not practical but at the same time Sri Lankans would see it as how wonderful.

Much more to say but I hope you would see it as it is now. Hope you learn how to think critically. This skill you should have while talking to your broker or anybody. This is not thinking negatively. Think how many more roads Sri Lanka could bulid if we stopped waste and no planning. That's positive thinking. May be you should keep a notebook and write down all the break and rebuilding that happen on the parliament road, because you forget. May be you'll see 40 page book won't be enough. This must be one of the most expensive roads in the world. May be Guiness should take note.

By the way politicians didn't do the construction. The planning, supervision and management was done by educated qualified graduates of Sri Lanka, I'm pretty sure.

2Delusional memory and negativity Empty Re: Delusional memory and negativity Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:53 pm

Whitebull


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

Contraction is given to a supporter or a henchman of politicians.So that no one can interfere for the construction without risking their jobs or health or both.

Main culprits of this disaster are POLITICIANS. Even five year old child can understand this simple fact.

3Delusional memory and negativity Empty Re: Delusional memory and negativity Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:25 am

anubis


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

@Whitebull: This proves my point.

People who develop lengthy articles about problems faced by Sri Lanka doesn't even have the common sense to understand something so simple. It's about giving "pora talks"...

No more comments from me.

Cheers!

4Delusional memory and negativity Empty Re: Delusional memory and negativity Sat Jul 28, 2012 4:02 am

Slstock

Slstock
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics


Sometimes you make sense sometime I really do not get you. I have 2 question and 1 request

1) The summery of this discussion?
2) What would you propose to solve it?

Request:
3) Can I presume you are Sri Lankan? If so kindly use word "ours" in other posts instead of using "yours". Yo uare part of Sri Lanka


5Delusional memory and negativity Empty Re: Delusional memory and negativity Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:01 am

Jiggysaurus

Jiggysaurus
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

wow what a lengthy rant, you must have a lot of free time.

6Delusional memory and negativity Empty Re: Delusional memory and negativity Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:56 am

aj


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

So now I'll tell you how this should have happened right.
Your peradeniya, colombo, sabaragamuwa, ruhuna, jaffna graduates in the road development authority, city planning offices, urban development authority whatever plan the city for the long term in the next 50 years. How should the roads should be laid out, future capacity, keeping space for that, how we should add the suburbs, when we're adding highways, bridges they should be able to added without complete demolition, then you plan what you're going to do in the next few years within the budget you have for optimum use, prioritizes, call tenders, select the cheapest contractor for the given standards, monitor the development, make payment if the accepted otherwise take action against the contractor, have a proper maintenance process in place, 5 inch potholes are covered before a new carpeting is necessary. The road would last 10 years without any incidents. These are all supposed to be done by the engineers, directors, commissioners, expert panels, city planners, architects with BSc, MSc from peradeniya, ruhuna, colombo. That is their responsiblity and duty, what they are paid for and what they are hired, when they came out of the university years ago and now that they have climbed up the carrerr ladder to become top senior officials with qualifications and experience. Your educated intelligent graduates.

But next time the parliament road is carpeted with another loan in the next year or 2, you'll think this is nice, they're carpeting roads. Sri Lankan way of thinking.

This post was written for Sri Lankans to think differently how they've seeing things for decades. That's the first step.

Why do you blame the puppet alone on the top, when your parent who is a engineer with BSc in civil engineering in the urban development authority is responsible for the task of assessing the contract work and approving it. If your educated workforce whether inspector, judge, engineer or doctor did their duty, the politicians would be just what they are, representatives of you as you already select them.



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7Delusional memory and negativity Empty Re: Delusional memory and negativity Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:36 am

Redbulls

Redbulls
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics

Short and sweet
“One of the penalties of refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.”
― Plato

8Delusional memory and negativity Empty Re: Delusional memory and negativity Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:51 am

worthiness


Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

aj depicts a common point which have been discussing & arguing years & years in political & social arena. Unfortunately, so far no signs are to be seen for change or correction as over powered administrators deviate from norms even clear policies are procedures are in place presumably.
Many reforms are in dire need to implement to save cost, time, labor & material eliminating the inefficiencies & malpractices. Independent execution of such laws with a view to protect the interest of common people is the next step which has become a mirage in our country.

9Delusional memory and negativity Empty Re: Delusional memory and negativity Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:54 am

aj


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

There are 2 solutions.
1. One human come forward from the shadow with a stick and run it like what one did in Singapore or South Korea.
2. Make bright intelligent creative graduates from your education system who can keep their head held high and do the right thing, without bending over. Don't make slaves. Slaves are not the norm. Make the day where a bright student can lead seniors. Then as was said in the below post, when they come to the senior positions in 20-30 years and that filth is dead, the development will start.

10Delusional memory and negativity Empty Re: Delusional memory and negativity Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:56 am

Redbulls

Redbulls
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics

worthiness wrote:aj depicts a common point which have been discussing & arguing years & years in political & social arena. Unfortunately, so far no signs are to be seen for change or correction as over powered administrators deviate from norms even clear policies are procedures are in place presumably.
Many reforms are in dire need to implement to save cost, time, labor & material eliminating the inefficiencies & malpractices. Independent execution of such laws with a view to protect the interest of common people is the next step which has become a mirage in our country.
Million time true, but we as a citizen needs to take resposibility to certain extend not participating in country's politics actively.

11Delusional memory and negativity Empty Re: Delusional memory and negativity Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:56 am

wiki


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

@ aj

Average people think that we have got him already (Sri Lanka got MR and colombo got GR)

Our intellectuals are neglected. They are not involved in decision making process. their recommendations are not take into consideration. They are forced to find a greener pasture..

It is a false notion that UNP gov do better. What we need is a system change.

12Delusional memory and negativity Empty Re: Delusional memory and negativity Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:35 pm

market bull

market bull
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics


100% agreed.Also If MR wants he can do it with 2/3 power.But unfortunately I cant see any body who comes to power allowing this to happen.

we have to wait for years to see that system change.Sometime we may not see this system change in our life time.

wiki wrote:@ aj
It is a false notion that UNP gov do better. What we need is a system change.

13Delusional memory and negativity Empty Re: Delusional memory and negativity Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:07 pm

illuminati


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

anubis wrote:@Whitebull: This proves my point.

People who develop lengthy articles about problems faced by Sri Lanka doesn't even have the common sense to understand something so simple. It's about giving "pora talks"...

No more comments from me.

Cheers!

Deaf and blind !

14Delusional memory and negativity Empty Re: Delusional memory and negativity Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:55 pm

WildBear


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

I have a feeling that illuminati and aj are same person with two user names.

15Delusional memory and negativity Empty Re: Delusional memory and negativity Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:00 pm

sahan8896


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

WildBear wrote:I have a feeling that illuminati and aj are same person with two user names.
I had that feeling for a long time.

16Delusional memory and negativity Empty Re: Delusional memory and negativity Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:04 pm

kasun333


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

i personal know some of my friends have 3,4 accounts in this form and they put comments and reply other usernames.most of the people are in this form doing like this.few peoples only stay this form truve.

17Delusional memory and negativity Empty Re: Delusional memory and negativity Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:06 pm

anubis


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

There's definitely an organized "preaching" going on this forum.

The issue is everybody talks about "how to fix the problems" (a.k.a pora talks). But why talk this stuff on an investment forum? can't you go to politics and try to implement those???

I think the reason is the bear.... it has hit a lot of people so hard that they have now turned to philosophy and stuff. Think about it, when the market was booming, was any of these preachers around? someone is definitely capitalizing on the opportunity. And they are "seriously organized".

IMO this kind of threads should not be allowed in this forum. This is a forum about investing, not about philosophy, religion or politics or personal bullshit.

Cheers!

PS: sorry about commenting on this thread again, but someone has to go against the flow. Can't believe our guys are all bending up to every preaching thrown at them.

18Delusional memory and negativity Empty Re: Delusional memory and negativity Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:00 pm

aj


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

anubis wrote:There's definitely an organized "preaching" going on this forum.

The issue is everybody talks about "how to fix the problems" (a.k.a pora talks). But why talk this stuff on an investment forum? can't you go to politics and try to implement those???

I think the reason is the bear.... it has hit a lot of people so hard that they have now turned to philosophy and stuff. Think about it, when the market was booming, was any of these preachers around? someone is definitely capitalizing on the opportunity. And they are "seriously organized".

IMO this kind of threads should not be allowed in this forum. This is a forum about investing, not about philosophy, religion or politics or personal bullshit.

Cheers!

PS: sorry about commenting on this thread again, but someone has to go against the flow. Can't believe our guys are all bending up to every preaching thrown at them.

Thanks. I was really really expecting a reply like this as a final shot. "This post is not relevent. This is an investment forum" :-p That's the final way to kill it. I hope at least few understood and for them I hope the world won't look the same.
For others close your eyes, close your ears, close your mouth, bury your head in earth. Everything will be fine.

Sometimes people say ministers should have minimum qualifications, that qualified people are not given the proper position. All I wanted to say is look where your qualified educated people are and what they are doing. They are running the system. 70s, 80s graduates are the heads. Remove the politicos and the educated qualified people from the system. What is left? Nothing.

There's a 30 officials for the 7 Olympic players going. Are those 30 politicos? Nope they're qualified, educated senior officials in the sports ministry etc. who have come up the career ladder after coming out of universities and they're approved for the trip by your qualified educated lot up higher.

There's powercuts. Are those failing power stations built and run by the minister? Nope, There are managing directors, architects, engineers, supervisors with diplomas, degrees from Moratuwa, Colombo, Peradeniya from top to bottom. Your qualified educated lot.

There's are errors in Z scores. Is SB calculating the score? Nope. They are planned, made and executed by expert panels, select committees, education boards, exam boards, commissioners with degrees, masters from Moratuwa, Kelaniya, Colombo. Your qualified educated lot.

Ministers go on personal family trips on public money, keeping 20 vehicles? Is minister stealing the money and cars? Nope, a financial controller, accountant, finance manager with a degree from Jayawardanapura or Ruhuna has to approve, report and audit the expenses. Your qualified educated lot.

Politicians and their friends, publicly assault, murder, rape citizens. Who are the judges, lawyers, police inspectors, OIC, SI, commissions? They're your parent, aunt, uncle with a degree from Kelaniya, Peradeniya who entered the police, courts when they came out from the universities in the 70s, 80s with qualification and experience. Your qualified educated lot.

You can break the tar of the newly carpeted road by fingers. Was the road work supervised by the minister? Nope. There are directors, civil engineers with degrees, diplomas from Moratuwa, Peradeniya who approved and signed that the contract work was finished properly and upto the standard. Your qualified educated lot.

Thanks.



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19Delusional memory and negativity Empty Re: Delusional memory and negativity Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:47 pm

anubis


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

OK, since we're going off the investment topic here with real intention, let me talk a little bit about what you are pointing out.

First of all, I don't like vacuous preachings that doesn't mean anything on a forum like this. Who are you going to convince here??? What do you expect to achieve???

On the other hand, if you are a political party or some sort of a organization trying to promote a recovery of Sri Lanka, I will support you. I will try to understand your point further, I will help you in whatever way possible. But I really really really (100%) hate it when people go ranting about "how things should be" rather than trying to do anything about it. If you really mean to do something about the shit happening in our country, why not start some sort of an independent movement? rather than talking all sorts of shit about everyone? what's the point in blaming everyone if you are afraid to take a step and do something about it? My point is, you can't do anything about anything just by debating on a forum like this.

Now, the issue you pointed out has an "accumulating" effect. What I mean by that is there could be senior government officials (graduates from 70's 80's etc.) of the type you mentioned, and what kind of people would they be recruiting as junior officials??? just their own kind, ass-kissers. Overtime, we have accumulated a bunch of ass-kissers who only cares about their job and have no ethical obligation to their profession whatsoever.

I hated it when you pointed out that all graduates from SL are spine-less... but then I realized from where I come from (Moratuwa) only about 5% of graduates seek placement in government positions. So we don't get exposed to this culture you speak of, may be that's why I didn't see the point you were highlighting. But that doesn't mean I agree with you 100% on the fact that all graduates joining government departments etc. are spine-less. However, due the accumulating effect I pointed, it could be that by now a large portion of the economy / country is governed by a bunch of corrupted educated people.

So, let me make my point clear. It's not that I disagree or agree with your views, but what do you plan to do about those views by ranting on a forum like this one and blaming everybody you can point at???? What's your purpose here???

The way you talk and how illuminati behaves in this forum, it doesn't look like either of you have any interest in "doing" something about the problems you pointed. It almost certainly look like you are trying to achieve some kind of "mental" manipulation, which is why I'm being such an a-hole about the whole thing.

Cheers!

20Delusional memory and negativity Empty Re: Delusional memory and negativity Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:22 pm

Whitebull


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Is there a way to ban lunatics from posting ? Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

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