npp wrote:these two dividends should considerably reflect in RICH's dividend also I'm guessing. greedy?
or its done with the purpose of showing a certain level of profitability?
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npp wrote:these two dividends should considerably reflect in RICH's dividend also I'm guessing. greedy?
npp wrote:these two dividends should considerably reflect in RICH's dividend also I'm guessing. greedy?
greedy wrote:npp wrote:these two dividends should considerably reflect in RICH's dividend also I'm guessing. greedy?
RICH is a share I have not looked at much in the past & never Invested too .. I guess .
RICH recent Dividend payments ;
Financial Year 2010/2011 Interim 0.20 +Final 0.10) 0.30 per share in total LKR 581mn (1,938mn shares*.30)
Financial Year 2011/2012 (Interim) 0.40 per share in total LKR775mn (1,938mn shares*.40)
I looked at RICH accounts. RICH's cash position is not that promising to pay dividends. The company not the group should have adequate cash to pay dividends. If you look at the latest accounts of RICH for the Q/E 31/12/2011, RICH at the company level has a net short term borrowings of LKR1,721mn.....
Short term borrowings (possibly ODs & other Borrowings) LKR 1,799mn
Cash at bank and in hand LKR 78mn
Net short term Borrowings LKR 1,721mn
Unless they get more dividends form subsidiary companies they wont be able to pay bigger dividends like what they paid in interim (40 cents/share).
The dividend payments coming from KGAL & NAMU can boost company level cash balances a bit;
KGAL LKR7.50 per share*17.5mn shares ======> LKR131mn
NAMU LKR4.50 per share *14.5mn shares =====> LKR66mn
Together LKR197mn dividends to RPC Planation management services limited which in turn may pay dividends to RICH. But these dividends are 10cents per share of RICH (LKR197mn/1,938mn shares of RICH).
My guess is that these dividends will not have big boost to RICH cash position to pay dividends. However, one has to consider dividends from other subsidiaries of RICH as well..
npp wrote:greedy wrote:npp wrote:these two dividends should considerably reflect in RICH's dividend also I'm guessing. greedy?
RICH is a share I have not looked at much in the past & never Invested too .. I guess .
RICH recent Dividend payments ;
Financial Year 2010/2011 Interim 0.20 +Final 0.10) 0.30 per share in total LKR 581mn (1,938mn shares*.30)
Financial Year 2011/2012 (Interim) 0.40 per share in total LKR775mn (1,938mn shares*.40)
I looked at RICH accounts. RICH's cash position is not that promising to pay dividends. The company not the group should have adequate cash to pay dividends. If you look at the latest accounts of RICH for the Q/E 31/12/2011, RICH at the company level has a net short term borrowings of LKR1,721mn.....
Short term borrowings (possibly ODs & other Borrowings) LKR 1,799mn
Cash at bank and in hand LKR 78mn
Net short term Borrowings LKR 1,721mn
Unless they get more dividends form subsidiary companies they wont be able to pay bigger dividends like what they paid in interim (40 cents/share).
The dividend payments coming from KGAL & NAMU can boost company level cash balances a bit;
KGAL LKR7.50 per share*17.5mn shares ======> LKR131mn
NAMU LKR4.50 per share *14.5mn shares =====> LKR66mn
Together LKR197mn dividends to RPC Planation management services limited which in turn may pay dividends to RICH. But these dividends are 10cents per share of RICH (LKR197mn/1,938mn shares of RICH).
My guess is that these dividends will not have big boost to RICH cash position to pay dividends. However, one has to consider dividends from other subsidiaries of RICH as well..
you may have a point, but,
the recent 0.40/- dividend was anyway paid out of a non-recurrent gain.
but according to few historical reports, RICH has always maintained that amount of borrowings (group & company). Yet it paid the 0.10/- final dividend in May 2011 (0.20/- interim in Nov 2010)
this was when KGAL paid 2.50/- interim and 0.50/- final later on and NAMU paid 1/- interim and 0.70/- final later on.
*my points here are only based on the dividends paid by KGAL and NAMU this year compared to last. I have not taken the time to research any other points at this time.
greedy wrote:
But what is the motive to sell Asian Alliance Insurance?
slstock wrote:greedy wrote:
But what is the motive to sell Asian Alliance Insurance?
RICH has started their own insurance business. So they may have found no need to keep another as they can dispose AAIC with capital gain.
greedy wrote:npp wrote:these two dividends should considerably reflect in RICH's dividend also I'm guessing. greedy?
RICH is a share I have not looked at much in the past & never Invested too .. I guess .
RICH recent Dividend payments ;
Financial Year 2010/2011 Interim 0.20 +Final 0.10) 0.30 per share in total LKR 581mn (1,938mn shares*.30)
Financial Year 2011/2012 (Interim) 0.40 per share in total LKR775mn (1,938mn shares*.40)
I looked at RICH accounts. RICH's cash position is not that promising to pay dividends. The company not the group should have adequate cash to pay dividends. If you look at the latest accounts of RICH for the Q/E 31/12/2011, RICH at the company level has a net short term borrowings of LKR1,721mn.....
Short term borrowings (possibly ODs & other Borrowings) LKR 1,799mn
Cash at bank and in hand LKR 78mn
Net short term Borrowings LKR 1,721mn
Unless they get more dividends form subsidiary companies they wont be able to pay bigger dividends like what they paid in interim (40 cents/share).
The dividend payments coming from KGAL & NAMU can boost company level cash balances a bit;
KGAL LKR7.50 per share*17.5mn shares ======> LKR131mn
NAMU LKR4.50 per share *14.5mn shares =====> LKR66mn
Together LKR197mn dividends to RPC Planation management services limited which in turn may pay dividends to RICH. But these dividends are 10cents per share of RICH (LKR197mn/1,938mn shares of RICH).
My guess is that these dividends will not have big boost to RICH cash position to pay dividends. However, one has to consider dividends from other subsidiaries of RICH as well..
Gaja wrote:greedy wrote:npp wrote:these two dividends should considerably reflect in RICH's dividend also I'm guessing. greedy?
RICH is a share I have not looked at much in the past & never Invested too .. I guess .
RICH recent Dividend payments ;
Financial Year 2010/2011 Interim 0.20 +Final 0.10) 0.30 per share in total LKR 581mn (1,938mn shares*.30)
Financial Year 2011/2012 (Interim) 0.40 per share in total LKR775mn (1,938mn shares*.40)
I looked at RICH accounts. RICH's cash position is not that promising to pay dividends. The company not the group should have adequate cash to pay dividends. If you look at the latest accounts of RICH for the Q/E 31/12/2011, RICH at the company level has a net short term borrowings of LKR1,721mn.....
Short term borrowings (possibly ODs & other Borrowings) LKR 1,799mn
Cash at bank and in hand LKR 78mn
Net short term Borrowings LKR 1,721mn
Unless they get more dividends form subsidiary companies they wont be able to pay bigger dividends like what they paid in interim (40 cents/share).
The dividend payments coming from KGAL & NAMU can boost company level cash balances a bit;
KGAL LKR7.50 per share*17.5mn shares ======> LKR131mn
NAMU LKR4.50 per share *14.5mn shares =====> LKR66mn
Together LKR197mn dividends to RPC Planation management services limited which in turn may pay dividends to RICH. But these dividends are 10cents per share of RICH (LKR197mn/1,938mn shares of RICH).
My guess is that these dividends will not have big boost to RICH cash position to pay dividends. However, one has to consider dividends from other subsidiaries of RICH as well..
It seems they got some money from any other source to pay the 2nd interim dividend
Gaja wrote:greedy wrote:npp wrote:these two dividends should considerably reflect in RICH's dividend also I'm guessing. greedy?
RICH is a share I have not looked at much in the past & never Invested too .. I guess .
RICH recent Dividend payments ;
Financial Year 2010/2011 Interim 0.20 +Final 0.10) 0.30 per share in total LKR 581mn (1,938mn shares*.30)
Financial Year 2011/2012 (Interim) 0.40 per share in total LKR775mn (1,938mn shares*.40)
I looked at RICH accounts. RICH's cash position is not that promising to pay dividends. The company not the group should have adequate cash to pay dividends. If you look at the latest accounts of RICH for the Q/E 31/12/2011, RICH at the company level has a net short term borrowings of LKR1,721mn.....
Short term borrowings (possibly ODs & other Borrowings) LKR 1,799mn
Cash at bank and in hand LKR 78mn
Net short term Borrowings LKR 1,721mn
Unless they get more dividends form subsidiary companies they wont be able to pay bigger dividends like what they paid in interim (40 cents/share).
The dividend payments coming from KGAL & NAMU can boost company level cash balances a bit;
KGAL LKR7.50 per share*17.5mn shares ======> LKR131mn
NAMU LKR4.50 per share *14.5mn shares =====> LKR66mn
Together LKR197mn dividends to RPC Planation management services limited which in turn may pay dividends to RICH. But these dividends are 10cents per share of RICH (LKR197mn/1,938mn shares of RICH).
My guess is that these dividends will not have big boost to RICH cash position to pay dividends. However, one has to consider dividends from other subsidiaries of RICH as well..
It seems they got some money from any other source to pay the 2nd interim dividend
greedy wrote:npp wrote:greedy wrote:npp wrote:these two dividends should considerably reflect in RICH's dividend also I'm guessing. greedy?
RICH is a share I have not looked at much in the past & never Invested too .. I guess .
RICH recent Dividend payments ;
Financial Year 2010/2011 Interim 0.20 +Final 0.10) 0.30 per share in total LKR 581mn (1,938mn shares*.30)
Financial Year 2011/2012 (Interim) 0.40 per share in total LKR775mn (1,938mn shares*.40)
I looked at RICH accounts. RICH's cash position is not that promising to pay dividends. The company not the group should have adequate cash to pay dividends. If you look at the latest accounts of RICH for the Q/E 31/12/2011, RICH at the company level has a net short term borrowings of LKR1,721mn.....
Short term borrowings (possibly ODs & other Borrowings) LKR 1,799mn
Cash at bank and in hand LKR 78mn
Net short term Borrowings LKR 1,721mn
Unless they get more dividends form subsidiary companies they wont be able to pay bigger dividends like what they paid in interim (40 cents/share).
The dividend payments coming from KGAL & NAMU can boost company level cash balances a bit;
KGAL LKR7.50 per share*17.5mn shares ======> LKR131mn
NAMU LKR4.50 per share *14.5mn shares =====> LKR66mn
Together LKR197mn dividends to RPC Planation management services limited which in turn may pay dividends to RICH. But these dividends are 10cents per share of RICH (LKR197mn/1,938mn shares of RICH).
My guess is that these dividends will not have big boost to RICH cash position to pay dividends. However, one has to consider dividends from other subsidiaries of RICH as well..
you may have a point, but,
the recent 0.40/- dividend was anyway paid out of a non-recurrent gain.
but according to few historical reports, RICH has always maintained that amount of borrowings (group & company). Yet it paid the 0.10/- final dividend in May 2011 (0.20/- interim in Nov 2010)
this was when KGAL paid 2.50/- interim and 0.50/- final later on and NAMU paid 1/- interim and 0.70/- final later on.
*my points here are only based on the dividends paid by KGAL and NAMU this year compared to last. I have not taken the time to research any other points at this time.
You too have a point I guess . But what is the motive to sell Asian Alliance Insurance? I guess RICH was under pressure because of less dividend payments in the past. The motive for sale could be a payment of dividend.. (I'm not 100% sure)
See the dividend history
FY2011/2012========> 0.40
FY2010/2011========> 0.30
FY2009/2010========> 1.00 (before Subdivision of shares 1:15)
FY2008/2009========> Nil
FY2007/2008========> Nil
I guess a final dividend of 10 to 20 cents maximum .
greedy wrote:greedy wrote:npp wrote:greedy wrote:npp wrote:these two dividends should considerably reflect in RICH's dividend also I'm guessing. greedy?
RICH is a share I have not looked at much in the past & never Invested too .. I guess .
RICH recent Dividend payments ;
Financial Year 2010/2011 Interim 0.20 +Final 0.10) 0.30 per share in total LKR 581mn (1,938mn shares*.30)
Financial Year 2011/2012 (Interim) 0.40 per share in total LKR775mn (1,938mn shares*.40)
I looked at RICH accounts. RICH's cash position is not that promising to pay dividends. The company not the group should have adequate cash to pay dividends. If you look at the latest accounts of RICH for the Q/E 31/12/2011, RICH at the company level has a net short term borrowings of LKR1,721mn.....
Short term borrowings (possibly ODs & other Borrowings) LKR 1,799mn
Cash at bank and in hand LKR 78mn
Net short term Borrowings LKR 1,721mn
Unless they get more dividends form subsidiary companies they wont be able to pay bigger dividends like what they paid in interim (40 cents/share).
The dividend payments coming from KGAL & NAMU can boost company level cash balances a bit;
KGAL LKR7.50 per share*17.5mn shares ======> LKR131mn
NAMU LKR4.50 per share *14.5mn shares =====> LKR66mn
Together LKR197mn dividends to RPC Planation management services limited which in turn may pay dividends to RICH. But these dividends are 10cents per share of RICH (LKR197mn/1,938mn shares of RICH).
My guess is that these dividends will not have big boost to RICH cash position to pay dividends. However, one has to consider dividends from other subsidiaries of RICH as well..
you may have a point, but,
the recent 0.40/- dividend was anyway paid out of a non-recurrent gain.
but according to few historical reports, RICH has always maintained that amount of borrowings (group & company). Yet it paid the 0.10/- final dividend in May 2011 (0.20/- interim in Nov 2010)
this was when KGAL paid 2.50/- interim and 0.50/- final later on and NAMU paid 1/- interim and 0.70/- final later on.
*my points here are only based on the dividends paid by KGAL and NAMU this year compared to last. I have not taken the time to research any other points at this time.
You too have a point I guess . But what is the motive to sell Asian Alliance Insurance? I guess RICH was under pressure because of less dividend payments in the past. The motive for sale could be a payment of dividend.. (I'm not 100% sure)
See the dividend history
FY2011/2012========> 0.40
FY2010/2011========> 0.30
FY2009/2010========> 1.00 (before Subdivision of shares 1:15)
FY2008/2009========> Nil
FY2007/2008========> Nil
I guess a final dividend of 10 to 20 cents maximum .
I was wrong here RICH has declared a 30 cents dividend compared 20 cents max I mentioned here.
It is interesting to note that RICH accumulated profit as of 31/12/2011 is LKR571mn added with two dividends from KGAL & NAMU of LKR197mn comes to a total distributable profits of LKR768mn at RICH company level.
Out of which 77% distributed as dividends now! Aggressive dividend policy.
Gaja wrote:
WILL they declare a final one as well?
slstock wrote:Gaja wrote:
WILL they declare a final one as well?
Let look at March quarter results then we can maybe predict. But hobestly I think they have done enough for the investors already with Rs 0.7 dividends. They should keep some money to expand and reinvest.
Gaja wrote:slstock wrote:Gaja wrote:
WILL they declare a final one as well?
Let look at March quarter results then we can maybe predict. But hobestly I think they have done enough for the investors already with Rs 0.7 dividends. They should keep some money to expand and reinvest.
I agree with u, this time there yield is very good, while they on the expansion of the retail chain, on the insurance business, also having some issues with the tea sector also i think they can't use the sales proceeds they received from the credit cards because of the loan, but why i asked that question is there have to be some reason to declare the 2nd interim dividend yesterday, they could have easily announced this as final dividend on Monday!
This time their payout is higher than expected might be due the one off gain they got, so have to wait and see how thinks going in the future.
greedy wrote:Gaja wrote:slstock wrote:Gaja wrote:
WILL they declare a final one as well?
Let look at March quarter results then we can maybe predict. But hobestly I think they have done enough for the investors already with Rs 0.7 dividends. They should keep some money to expand and reinvest.
I agree with u, this time there yield is very good, while they on the expansion of the retail chain, on the insurance business, also having some issues with the tea sector also i think they can't use the sales proceeds they received from the credit cards because of the loan, but why i asked that question is there have to be some reason to declare the 2nd interim dividend yesterday, they could have easily announced this as final dividend on Monday!
This time their payout is higher than expected might be due the one off gain they got, so have to wait and see how thinks going in the future.
If that is announced on coming Monday, 2 April 2012 then it cannot be booked in the accounts for the year ending 31 March 2012. That could be the reason why they announced second interim dividend before the year end.
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slstock wrote:Or will they save to pay for the Wage increase gratuity?
Anyway this is the king in the sector. Has some hidden assets as well.
salt wrote:slstock wrote:Or will they save to pay for the Wage increase gratuity?
Anyway this is the king in the sector. Has some hidden assets as well.
You mean to say retirement benefit obligation will increase from current 400 million to Rs. 2.2 billion? Is it sensible?
Slstock, you are a senior member... Make your own calculation and present us figures
This wage bill also a nonsense headline like BFL' s so called BOI. Farm in Puttalam.
Jake Sully wrote:Lunu's initial argument is valid. I.e. when a related party keeps on buying means, most most most of the time dividends going to be lovely. BUT they don't have a consistent dividend record.
Gaja wrote:Am not certain about the dividend, but one thing i noted in the last few days they wanted to achieve more than 75%, now they did it! but what is the intention behind it?
slstock wrote:
Gaja,
I already hinted one possible reason ;-)Gaja wrote:Am not certain about the dividend, but one thing i noted in the last few days they wanted to achieve more than 75%, now they did it! but what is the intention behind it?
Gaja wrote:slstock wrote:
Gaja,
I already hinted one possible reason ;-)Gaja wrote:Am not certain about the dividend, but one thing i noted in the last few days they wanted to achieve more than 75%, now they did it! but what is the intention behind it?
Are u referring this
Hmm, sadly I sold my KGAL for a need but KGAL is real value share in the sector. Hmm is RPC looking at a hidden asset in KGAL ;-) ?
salt wrote:@slstock,
Such a long explanation. To be frank, this whole argument about wage is fallacy
It's nothing extraordinary, this plantation industry is one of the oldest industry & wage has been going up throughout the history. We knew about this since our childhood. Industry is however coping with it.
I agree with you on rest of the thing..
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