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76TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:08 pm

stumpy


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

okay...what is the effect of this decision to the share price!

77TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Loosing the case - TWOD Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:09 pm

windi5


Moderator
Moderator

Can any one explain what will happen to the company if they loose the court case. No this case is dragging almost one year, 4th time postpone,i think. What is the risk the share holder bear with pending court case?.As twod won in first time,this is the appeal filled by the SLASS, what is the possibility of loosing the case?

78TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:10 pm

sithika


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic

god bless u i narrowly escaped bounce

79TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:11 pm

mono


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

stumpy wrote:okay...what is the effect of this decision to the share price!

It mean that this whole issue will remain unresolved for sometime. share price will probably fall. We should get an announcement soon.

80TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:11 pm

sithika


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic

50%Very Happy

81TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:13 pm

xmart

xmart
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

stumpy wrote:okay...what is the effect of this decision to the share price!

with prevailing market condition this may go down to 18 level and stabilize in early 20's.

82TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:14 pm

mono

mono
Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

windi5 wrote:Can any one explain what will happen to the company if they loose the court case. No this case is dragging almost one year, 4th time postpone,i think. What is the risk the share holder bear with pending court case?.As twod won in first time,this is the appeal filled by the SLASS, what is the possibility of loosing the case?

windi. TWOD won the initial case in jan 2010. the current case is about whether SLAS has the right to appeal against the ruling of the appeals court. As per the supreme court ruling SLAS can appeal against the original ruling

83TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:14 pm

Surangaby

Surangaby
Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic

Think9 wrote:Some ppl neva learn from their mistakes.. Laughing

during the next 2 months im sure most of the shares will go up while ppl suffering by holdin TWOD until the next court case. Smile im sure nov 2011 case too will get postponed.



No Think9! It's not dat people don't learn from the past, it is the risk they take to go up. When U go up,there's always a risk of coming down.But staying on the ground without going up fearing falling down.... will keep U on the ground for ever.... There is a part of our Brain designed for Risks,Adventure,Etc....
The best thing is to manage your risk levels. There should be a limit. ex. A certain percentage(5%-10%) of Ur portfolio for High risk -High return shares (Amount that U cud farget if U lose). By doing that U could keep smiling all da time. cheers

84TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:22 pm

windi5

windi5
Moderator
Moderator

Its very funny now, all are very curious and and frustrated about this matter now,like our family problem. I wonder whether , even twod ppl care about this court case this serious. There are performing well every year.So they dont have any problem except paying their lowers some money lol!

85TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:30 pm

mono

mono
Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

windi5 wrote:Its very funny now, all are very curious and and frustrated about this matter now,like our family problem. I wonder whether , even twod ppl care about this court case this serious. There are performing well every year.So they dont have any problem except paying their lowers some money lol!

well...

there is truth in TWOD performing well this year. That is mostly why i got their shares. I was hoping that this court case would inspire more confidence in TWOD.

86TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:38 pm

Surangaby

Surangaby
Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic

Quibit wrote:Monday is the roll date. Cases are usually not heard in the morning but in the afternoon and most cases are likely to get postponed!

Dis is a Market Sensitive case. Court cannot drag dis forever. Court will be forced to finish this soon!(Atleast from another 4-5 rounds or 1 year). With da plan I came to dis counter,I cud wait another 1-1 1/2 years. I'm sure TWOD will win this ( According to previous court decisions). When it wins , I'll be dancing on the Street!!!! Lets hope for the best!!!!!!
(Dis is only my idea! I could be wrong totally. Before you enter a counter like this, make a plan for "What If" U lose or Win")
Be Sharp!!!!!! Suspect

87TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:15 pm

econ

econ
Global Moderator

so what happens todays court case?

88TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:17 pm

mono

mono
Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

econ wrote:so what happens todays court case?

the court decided that SLAS is allowed to file an appeal against the original decision passed infavor of TWOD

89TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:23 pm

econ

econ
Global Moderator

mono wrote:
econ wrote:so what happens todays court case?

the court decided that SLAS is allowed to file an appeal against the original decision passed infavor of TWOD

so this will continue for ever..

90TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:24 pm

mono

mono
Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

econ wrote:
mono wrote:
econ wrote:so what happens todays court case?

the court decided that SLAS is allowed to file an appeal against the original decision passed infavor of TWOD

so this will continue for ever..

i think you are only allowed to appeal once. this should settle things one way or the other

91TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:29 pm

Tiger

Tiger
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

Any way its hilarious such a simple decision took so long.

92TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:29 pm

a_randy

a_randy
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Why what happen..? Question

93TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:36 pm

rijayasooriya

rijayasooriya
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

mono wrote:
econ wrote:
mono wrote:
econ wrote:so what happens todays court case?

the court decided that SLAS is allowed to file an appeal against the original decision passed infavor of TWOD

so this will continue for ever..

i think you are only allowed to appeal once. this should settle things one way or the other
Does that mean it will be heard in supreme court only once(only one court session)?

94TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:37 pm

mono

mono
Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

rijayasooriya wrote:
mono wrote:
econ wrote:
mono wrote:
econ wrote:so what happens todays court case?

the court decided that SLAS is allowed to file an appeal against the original decision passed infavor of TWOD

so this will continue for ever..

i think you are only allowed to appeal once. this should settle things one way or the other
Does that mean it will be heard in supreme court only once(only one court session)?

no it'll be a fresh trial of sorts.

95TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:39 pm

hunter

hunter
Moderator
Moderator

Tiger wrote:Any way its hilarious such a simple decision took so long.

If so, it's more hilarious that traders (we) are so anxious about this simple decision (verdict) on that simple decision.

96TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:42 pm

rijayasooriya

rijayasooriya
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

mono wrote:
rijayasooriya wrote:
mono wrote:
econ wrote:
mono wrote:
econ wrote:so what happens todays court case?

the court decided that SLAS is allowed to file an appeal against the original decision passed infavor of TWOD

so this will continue for ever..

i think you are only allowed to appeal once. this should settle things one way or the other
Does that mean it will be heard in supreme court only once(only one court session)?

no it'll be a fresh trial of sorts.
Thanks for the information. Sad

97TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:16 pm

Tiger

Tiger
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

What matters in this case is not the court decision,whether its in favor or not its going to affect the balance sheet prior year earnings, whether the company can generate enough cash to survive until this tide is over.

In the long run, it has to generate real returns by way of cash from operations, it cannot survive on cash from shareholders for ever.

What ever the court decision is I am still uncomfortable about their biological asset valuation which is amounting to Rs.5 billion in current value. Real test on TWOD will be when its liabilities matures.

In the short to medium term I am bullish on this counter based on historical earnings. Even if the company looses the case at appeals court the impact on asset value (as mentioned in books) will be nominal. The whole company is valued at Rs. 1.7Billion as of now, if you really discount the uncertain factors relating to assets valuation still this counter is trading at a discount. However whether this value is materialized as shareholder value is left to the market. In the current market I believe this counter is attractive in terms of valuations and can bring about above average returns in medium term.

From the companies point of view it would be ideal if they can exercise some form of independent actuarial valuation and cast out these doubts relating to assets valuation, because as long as this problem lingers company will continue to suffer liquidity issues and higher financing cost. In effect such a move will also can indicate the management confidence in their business; or vise-versa, before they can try to influence fund providers.

Please note that above is my personal view and please obtain professional advice before making your investment decision.



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98TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:33 pm

Genting


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

No matter what standards say, when those trees get mature, they will have a fair value in the market and that will definitely bring a huge profit to the company.

99TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:37 pm

mono

mono
Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

Genting wrote:No matter what standards say, when those trees get mature, they will have a fair value in the market and that will definitely bring a huge profit to the company.


that'll take sometime

100TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty IFRS convergence Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:57 pm

rizjiji


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic

By the 1st of January 2012 all companies have to conform with the new standards LKAS & SLFRS. This is more inline with IFRS. So subsequently this valuation should be acceptable in SL.
Anyways its funny that even though the company is performing well & is fundamentally strong the share price keeps fluctuating according to the court case verdict. This shows that some of the investors are buying shares for the wrong reasons.

101TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:09 pm

smallville

smallville
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics

rizjiji wrote:By the 1st of January 2012 all companies have to conform with the new standards LKAS & SLFRS. This is more inline with IFRS. So subsequently this valuation should be acceptable in SL.
Anyways its funny that even though the company is performing well & is fundamentally strong the share price keeps fluctuating according to the court case verdict. This shows that some of the investors are buying shares for the wrong reasons.

That's obviously true.. This court case is to me is an irrelevant matter for the company performance..Finally it matuaring of tree and the valuations those bring to the books after sales..
ppl dont want to go and see whats the case is about as long as its a court case pending a verdict ppl still fear..I mean , the presence of a court case make ppl fear and panic.. just becuz its a court case..
This is where real investors would jump in and buy the shares.. They can look for 3-12 months period of time to reap the benefits from it or even a lesser period.. Today last minute selling pressure destroyed my chart patterns drastically.. Now it seems like TWOD is another share going down.. But truth is its panic selling Twisted Evil

102TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:20 pm

glwking

glwking
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

When their first batch of trees are supposed to be mature? Any idea?

103TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:31 pm

stumpy

stumpy
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

glwking wrote:When their first batch of trees are supposed to be mature? Any idea?

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104TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:34 pm

mono

mono
Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

rizjiji wrote:By the 1st of January 2012 all companies have to conform with the new standards LKAS & SLFRS. This is more inline with IFRS. So subsequently this valuation should be acceptable in SL.

if that is the why on earth is the SLAS looking to appeal the court decision. makes little sense, digging up the past like that when there will be no future ramifications.

105TWOD latest news  - Page 4 Empty Re: TWOD latest news Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:49 pm

Genting


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

can't someone tell the these SLAS guys to do some better job than going after the lost case?
Can any of those why HNWI pay a little visit to these SLAS guys who probably in need of help ($), and help them for their future?

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