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Force selling going on

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Gaja
Aamiable
rcharindu
duke
kj
udul
roshanalv
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1Force selling going on  Empty Force selling going on Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:49 pm

roshanalv

roshanalv
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

I cant understand why brokers are doing force selling @ this stage. We r about to receive decision from SEC, why brokers mess up the situation.(@ the moment Capital Alliance executing force selling)



Last edited by roshanalv on Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:02 pm; edited 2 times in total

2Force selling going on  Empty Re: Force selling going on Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:51 pm

udul


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic

I think they need to cover their previous credit before going to the new credit situation it means we can see some gd news tz week Very Happy

3Force selling going on  Empty Re: Force selling going on Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:53 pm

kj

kj
Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic

ya you are correct roshanalv..
i got a call from my broker today to clear my balance.
broker firm -- Asia sec

4Force selling going on  Empty Re: Force selling going on Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:12 pm

duke


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

why do you buy shares if you can't pay or hasn't setup a margin facility or hasn't even arranged a loan from a bank? I can't understand the sri lankans.

do you do the same when you buy a loaf of bread? ask for bread then tell the baker 'what do you mean I have to pay?'

5Force selling going on  Empty Re: Force selling going on Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:15 pm

roshanalv

roshanalv
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

duke wrote:why do you buy shares if you can't pay or hasn't setup a margin facility or hasn't even arranged a loan from a bank? I can't understand the sri lankans.

U think all the business run on their own money, no business can run without credit ( Be practical )

6Force selling going on  Empty Re: Force selling going on Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:20 pm

duke


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

roshanalv wrote:
duke wrote:why do you buy shares if you can't pay or hasn't setup a margin facility or hasn't even arranged a loan from a bank? I can't understand the sri lankans.

U think all the business run on their own money, no business can run without credit ( Be practical )

When you take a car loan you the bank takes the car as the collateral. When you take a house loan they take the land as the collateral. When you take a credit card the bank checks for proof of your monthly income. When you setup up a margin account banks calculate the worth of your stocks you put in there. In case you cannot pay they have a security. Why is that Colombo stocks should be different?

Good thing your baker is not a nutcase like the SEC.

7Force selling going on  Empty Re: Force selling going on Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:24 pm

rcharindu

rcharindu
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

when Force selling going on...

ASI only down by .5%-.7%
Turnover abt 2.2 B
Shares 105M

seems like something big going to happen..... bounce



8Force selling going on  Empty Re: Force selling going on Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:26 pm

Aamiable


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

Turnover is increasing

9Force selling going on  Empty Re: Force selling going on Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:31 pm

Gaja


Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics

roshanalv wrote:
duke wrote:why do you buy shares if you can't pay or hasn't setup a margin facility or hasn't even arranged a loan from a bank? I can't understand the sri lankans.

U think all the business run on their own money, no business can run without credit ( Be practical )

Friends in Sri Lanka 99.99% business run on credit, but if you default to repay on time will the lender keep quite!

10Force selling going on  Empty Re: Force selling going on Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:03 pm

thepora101


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic

duke wrote:why do you buy shares if you can't pay or hasn't setup a margin facility or hasn't even arranged a loan from a bank? I can't understand the sri lankans.

do you do the same when you buy a loaf of bread? ask for bread then tell the baker 'what do you mean I have to pay?'

Very TRUE............. All these gambling attitude is the eventual result of market downfall.... Mad

11Force selling going on  Empty Re: Force selling going on Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:06 pm

Rajitha

Rajitha
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

duke wrote:
roshanalv wrote:
duke wrote:why do you buy shares if you can't pay or hasn't setup a margin facility or hasn't even arranged a loan from a bank? I can't understand the sri lankans.

U think all the business run on their own money, no business can run without credit ( Be practical )

When you take a car loan you the bank takes the car as the collateral. When you take a house loan they take the land as the collateral. When you take a credit card the bank checks for proof of your monthly income. When you setup up a margin account banks calculate the worth of your stocks you put in there. In case you cannot pay they have a security. Why is that Colombo stocks should be different?

Good thing your baker is not a nutcase like the SEC.

I think you are the one who has got it backwards m8! Even before they did took your shares as collateral! Even now from margin trading that's what they are doing. The brokers are now asking for a similar thing as you mentioned which was practiced even before! To allow them to give credit to a certain extent by keeping their existing stocks as collateral.
How do you think all the big business are run these days? they run on loans from banks and the small retailers are asking for the SEC to allow the brokering firms to allow them to have credit in a similar manner!
How hard is it for you to understand ?

12Force selling going on  Empty Re: Force selling going on Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:06 pm

RDS

RDS
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Rajitha wrote:
duke wrote:
roshanalv wrote:
duke wrote:why do you buy shares if you can't pay or hasn't setup a margin facility or hasn't even arranged a loan from a bank? I can't understand the sri lankans.

U think all the business run on their own money, no business can run without credit ( Be practical )

When you take a car loan you the bank takes the car as the collateral. When you take a house loan they take the land as the collateral. When you take a credit card the bank checks for proof of your monthly income. When you setup up a margin account banks calculate the worth of your stocks you put in there. In case you cannot pay they have a security. Why is that Colombo stocks should be different?

Good thing your baker is not a nutcase like the SEC.

I think you are the one who has got it backwards m8! Even before they did took your shares as collateral! Even now from margin trading that's what they are doing. The brokers are now asking for a similar thing as you mentioned which was practiced even before! To allow them to give credit to a certain extent by keeping their existing stocks as collateral.
How do you think all the big business are run these days? they run on loans from banks and the small retailers are asking for the SEC to allow the brokering firms to allow them to have credit in a similar manner!
How hard is it for you to understand ?

Agree with Rajitha,
U all will understand when u going to take a loan from bank as small investor.
They ask massive things & take long time to proceed, but they will not ask those things from HNWIs & proceed loan within few days.

My question is aren't we suitable for take loan at least 50% of PF.

13Force selling going on  Empty Re: Force selling going on Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:10 pm

Gaja


Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics

RDS wrote:
Rajitha wrote:
duke wrote:
roshanalv wrote:
duke wrote:why do you buy shares if you can't pay or hasn't setup a margin facility or hasn't even arranged a loan from a bank? I can't understand the sri lankans.

U think all the business run on their own money, no business can run without credit ( Be practical )

When you take a car loan you the bank takes the car as the collateral. When you take a house loan they take the land as the collateral. When you take a credit card the bank checks for proof of your monthly income. When you setup up a margin account banks calculate the worth of your stocks you put in there. In case you cannot pay they have a security. Why is that Colombo stocks should be different?

Good thing your baker is not a nutcase like the SEC.

I think you are the one who has got it backwards m8! Even before they did took your shares as collateral! Even now from margin trading that's what they are doing. The brokers are now asking for a similar thing as you mentioned which was practiced even before! To allow them to give credit to a certain extent by keeping their existing stocks as collateral.
How do you think all the big business are run these days? they run on loans from banks and the small retailers are asking for the SEC to allow the brokering firms to allow them to have credit in a similar manner!
How hard is it for you to understand ?

Agree with Rajitha,
U all will understand when u going to take a loan from bank as small investor.
They ask massive things & take long time to proceed, but they will not ask those things from HNWIs & proceed loan within few days.

My question is aren't we suitable for take loan at least 50% of PF.

There is nothing wrong in getting 50% of the PF as loan, but don't forget the fact the market value changes every minutes, so if your the value of your shares come down then the broker will call you to deposit the difference if you can deposit the money then no problem at all! But if you failed to deposit then broker will sell the shares to recover the difference here don't forget they will not mind as to whether you made the profit or loss!

14Force selling going on  Empty Re: Force selling going on Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:16 pm

RDS

RDS
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics


There is nothing wrong in getting 50% of the PF as loan, but don't forget the fact the market value changes every minutes, so if your the value of your shares come down then the broker will call you to deposit the difference if you can deposit the money then no problem at all! But if you failed to deposit then broker will sell the shares to recover the difference here don't forget they will not mind as to whether you made the profit or loss! [/quote]

no question with that, without force selling it is better to transfer to marginal account or either interest charge. if market going down we have to settle before marginal call

15Force selling going on  Empty Re: Force selling going on Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:56 pm

Rajitha

Rajitha
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

Gaja wrote:
RDS wrote:
Rajitha wrote:
duke wrote:
roshanalv wrote:
duke wrote:why do you buy shares if you can't pay or hasn't setup a margin facility or hasn't even arranged a loan from a bank? I can't understand the sri lankans.

U think all the business run on their own money, no business can run without credit ( Be practical )

When you take a car loan you the bank takes the car as the collateral. When you take a house loan they take the land as the collateral. When you take a credit card the bank checks for proof of your monthly income. When you setup up a margin account banks calculate the worth of your stocks you put in there. In case you cannot pay they have a security. Why is that Colombo stocks should be different?

Good thing your baker is not a nutcase like the SEC.

I think you are the one who has got it backwards m8! Even before they did took your shares as collateral! Even now from margin trading that's what they are doing. The brokers are now asking for a similar thing as you mentioned which was practiced even before! To allow them to give credit to a certain extent by keeping their existing stocks as collateral.
How do you think all the big business are run these days? they run on loans from banks and the small retailers are asking for the SEC to allow the brokering firms to allow them to have credit in a similar manner!
How hard is it for you to understand ?

Agree with Rajitha,
U all will understand when u going to take a loan from bank as small investor.
They ask massive things & take long time to proceed, but they will not ask those things from HNWIs & proceed loan within few days.

My question is aren't we suitable for take loan at least 50% of PF.

There is nothing wrong in getting 50% of the PF as loan, but don't forget the fact the market value changes every minutes, so if your the value of your shares come down then the broker will call you to deposit the difference if you can deposit the money then no problem at all! But if you failed to deposit then broker will sell the shares to recover the difference here don't forget they will not mind as to whether you made the profit or loss!

Who asked for a 50% PF credit ? That was given by brokers as they wished and eve nthats IMO is enough collateral! As I posted before all I'm asking is a 20% credit facility and thast also with my current portfolio value! I Can't remember the brokers ever asking people to settle the credit they have used even when have grated over 50% credit!
All this settling of credit came after SEC interference! This was like Central bank in Sri Lanka saying to the other local banks you have to collect all the credit loans you have given by this and this dates and you can not hand loans to any one else! We are making a separate entity that can give loans to the big businessmen in Sri Lanka. What do you think if something like that happen ?

16Force selling going on  Empty Re: Force selling going on Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:17 pm

CHASE

CHASE
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

I
also thing allowing broker credit will be a smart move. Then there will be force selling
only investors who use more than the limit. It wont be a much effect to the mkt.
Even I like if SEC change T+3 to T+0. Then
mkt will be 100% cash & only the investors will be on credit if they buy
without money.

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