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Day Trading and Profits and full time trading

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Anushka007


Stock Analytic
Stock Analytic

Guys,
Just curious, how much money you guys make during day trading
also any folks doing full time as the job
i want to quit my job and trade (but i have only 1mn) do you think its enough
my job sux

invest-abc


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Anushka007 wrote:Guys,
Just curious, how much money you guys make during day trading
also any folks doing full time as the job
i want to quit my job and trade (but i have only 1mn) do you think its enough
my job sux

I'm a full time trader/investor. But I favor swing trading over day trading...Major drawbacks of day trading at CSE is that
1) Comparatively low liquidity
2) High transaction cost (Commission + taxes)
3) Advance methods such as short selling is not available.

To answer your question, I don't think 1mn is enough to make a living out of full time trading. Also, any type of trading involves high risk. So remember your question asks how much profit you can earn.....but, also think on the lines how much loss you can handle...(more than the profit, important thing for a trader is the amount of loss that you can absorb without being bankrupt..)

pushpakumara


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Dear Anushka

Do not quit the job with that much of money in hand. But I do not know how much you expect for a month from investing in shares. If you are married with kids and paying any rents, loans do not take a chance.

I am telling you this because I did it and I am now without a job and in trouble. (My scenario ofcourse different to you). You know shares are not performing now a days to your wishes. With that money in your hand you can not make a good living unless you are a genius in share trading. (Still I am not sure at present conditions)

Quitting a job is a risky thing as there is no guarantee that you can find suitable job again.

So take a wise decision when it comes to quitting job.


JennyFunny


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Day trading is defined as the buying and selling of a security within a single trading day. This can occur in any marketplace but is most common in the foreign-exchange (forex) market and stock market. Typically, day traders are well educated and well funded. They utilize high amounts of leverage and short-term trading strategies to capitalize on small price movements in highly liquid stocks or currencies. Day traders serve two critical functions in the marketplace - they keep the markets running efficiently via arbitrage and they provide much of the markets' liquidity (especially in the stock market). This article will take an objective look at day trading, who does it and how it is done.

The Controversy
Search "day trading" on Google and you will see why there is controversy! The profit potential of day trading is perhaps one of the most debated (and misunderstood) topics on Wall Street. Countless internet scams have capitalized on this confusion by promising enormous returns in a short period. Meanwhile, the media continues to promote this type of trading as a get-rich-quick scheme that always works. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. There are those who engage in this type of trading without sufficient knowledge (or some even admittedly for a gambler's high!); however, there are day traders who are able to make a successful living.

Many professional money managers and financial advisors shy away from day trading, arguing that in most cases the reward does not justify the risk. They often cite that no day trader is world renown, whereas icons like Warren Buffett and Peter Lynch (see The Greatest Investors) are a testament to the success that can be attained by more traditional forms of investing. Conversely, those who do day trade insist there is profit to be made. They say the success rate is inherently lower as a result of the higher complexity and necessary risk of day trading, combined with all the related scams.

Overall, the street remains divided on the issue. At the very least they agree that day trading is not for everyone and involves significant risks. Moreover, it demands an in-depth understanding of how the markets work and various strategies for profiting in the short term. Now we'll take a look at the various aspects of day trading.

Characteristics of a Day Trader
This article will focus on professional day traders - that is, those that trade for a living, not simply as a hobby or for a “gambling high”. These traders are typically well-established in the field and have in-depth knowledge of the marketplace. Here are some of the prerequisites to day trading:

Knowledge and Experience in the Marketplace
Individuals who attempt to day trade without an understanding of market fundamentals often end up losing money.
Sufficient Capital
One cannot expect to make money day trading. Day traders use only risk capital, which they can afford to lose. Not only does this protect them from financial ruin, but it also helps eliminate emotion from their trading. A large amount of capital is often necessary to capitalize effectively on intra-day price movements.
A Strategy
A trader needs an edge over the rest of the market. There are several different strategies that day traders utilize, including: swing trading, arbitrage as well as trading news, among others. These strategies are refined until they produce consistent profits and effectively limit losses.



Discipline
A profitable strategy is useless without discipline. Many day traders end up losing a lot of money because they fail to make trades that meet their own criteria. As they say, “Plan the trade and trade the plan.” Success is impossible without discipline.
Day Trading for a Living
There are two primary divisions of professional day traders: those who work alone and/or those who work for a larger institution. Most day traders who trade for a living work for a large institution. The fact is these people have access to things individual traders could only dream of: a direct line to a dealing desk, large amounts of capital and leverage, expensive analytical software and much more. These traders are typically the ones looking for easy profits that can be made from arbitrage opportunities and news events. The resources to which they have access allow them to capitalize on these less risky day trades before individual traders can react. Individual traders often manage other people's money or simply trade with their own. Few of them have access to a dealing desk; however, they often have strong ties to a brokerage (due to the large amounts of commission spending) and access to other resources. However, the limited scope of these resources prevents them from competing directly with institutional day traders; instead, they are forced to take more risks. Individual traders typically day trade using technical analysis and swing trades - combined with some leverage - to generate adequate profits on such small price movements in highly liquid stocks.

Trading
Day trading demands access to some of the most complex financial services and instruments in the marketplace. Day traders require:
Access to the Trading Desk
This is usually reserved for traders working for larger institutions or those who manage large amounts of money. The dealing desk provides these traders with instantaneous order executions, which can become important, especially when sharp price movements occur. For example, when an acquisition is announced, day traders looking at merger arbitrage can get their orders in before the rest of the market, taking advantage of the price differential.
Multiple News Sources
In the move "Wall Street" Gordon Gekko says that 'information is the most important commodity when trading’. News provides the majority of opportunities day traders capitalize on, so it is imperative to be the first to know when something big happens. The typical trading room contains access to the Dow Jones Newswire, televisions showing CNBC and other news agencies, as well as software that constantly analyzes various other news sources for important stories.
Analytical Software
Trading software is an expensive necessity for most day traders. Those who rely on technical indicators or swing trades rely more on software than news. This software typically contains many features, including:
Automatic pattern recognition - This means that the trading program identifies technical indicators like flags, channels and even more complex indicators like Elliott Wave patterns.
Genetic and neural applications - These are programs that utilize neural networks and genetic algorithms to perfect trading systems to make more accurate predictions of future price movements. (see Neural Trading: Biological Keys to Profit.)
Broker integration - Some of these applications even interface directly with the brokerage, which allows for instantaneous and even automatic execution of trades. This is helpful for eliminating emotion from trading and improving execution times.
Back testing - This allows traders to look at how a certain strategy would have performed in the past in order to predict more accurately how it will perform in the future (although past performance is not always indicative of future results).
Combined these tools provide traders with an edge over the rest of the marketplace. It is easy to see why, without them, so many inexperienced traders lose money.

Conclusion
Although day trading has become somewhat of a controversial phenomenon, its prevalence is undeniable. Day traders, both institutional and individual, play an important role in the marketplace by keeping the markets efficient and liquid. Some argue that individuals should stay away from day trading, while others argue that it is a viable means to profit. And although it is becoming increasingly popular among inexperienced traders, it should be left primarily to those with the skills and resources needed to succeed.

JennyFunny


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

I personally..do quite a bit of day trading as well as swing trading.
You will need to have a good knowledge of Technical Analysis.
Also try and have a trading strategy-with a set of rules like i have mentioned above.For example:

1)most important thing is to balance your portfolio(ie/your 1MN allocate a particular % for Long term investments and Trading(Day/Swing/Momentum)That way since you are new to trading if you make mistakes and make losses you have some sought of control.Further the amount allocated depends on your risk tolerance level,age,occupation,I also like to look at the overall market to adjust my portfolio.


2)CAP your total portfolio invested in one Stock to 10%(or whatever depending on your risk,etc)

3)If you are day trading you have to make sure by the end of the trading day you have cleared all your holdings.It is critical that you stick to your TRADING RULES.otherwise you will no sooner than later get in trouble.

Let me explain,for example your choose "Equity A",based on your analysis(Momentum,Price,Volatility,Moneyflow,etc).But then for some external reason it falls in price and towards the close you are looking at a loss.you will most likely not sell at the loss.BUT remember the reason you bought the stock is sometimes factored into the price,therefore if you decide to BUY HOLD,you will make severe losses,also then it would not be day trading.

4)Hence Setting a Timeline for you strategy is important

Finally Backtest,backtest,backtest..this the only way of to adjust you strategy and also to track your performance.

Happy Trading

JennyFunny


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Sorry one more thing..

I personally prefer Momentum Trading for CSE.
In momentum trading, traders focus on stocks that are moving significantly in one direction on high volume. Momentum traders may hold their positions for a few minutes, a couple of hours or even the entire length of the trading day, depending on how quickly the stock moves and when it changes direction.

This have been giving me a return of about 40%..

Day Trading-30% to about 34%

Swing 3-8%

reason being that swing is so low,because CSE has been in downtrend for the last few months.

*Please do your own research before you start trading.

If you need help,please feel free to ask anymore questions.

Happy Trading...


aladdin

aladdin
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Anushka007 wrote:Guys,
Just curious, how much money you guys make during day trading
also any folks doing full time as the job
i want to quit my job and trade (but i have only 1mn) do you think its enough
my job sux

Investing is not a job. So from the 1st place you have got it wrong. And 1 million is just peanuts in cse and at one or two transaction which goes wrong can ruin your entire life. I know why your asking this question. You might have earn some decent profits in the near future and your mind says that you can live out of this with some easy money rather than working hard at office. This is called the comfort zone in mind. Never get trapped in this comfort zone.

Also in stake of fundamentalism, you should only invest your extra money and not the entire saving or earning or the money you get from debts. Even in budhism it says to invest 2/4 of your earnings. It never says to invest all or to quit from what ever your occupation. I personally know a person who was an engineer. He had invested about 50M or something. But with the LDEV rights issue, he took a high risk and lost about 1.5M in money. So one or two wrong decision can completely wipe you out of the market. In such incident how your gona live ? This is were exsistance of a permanent job comes in handy.

Before completing my comment, i would do one guess, your age should be below 30. This is why you think of quitting the job.

As my signature says I report, you decide.

smallville

smallville
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics

Good posts from all of you..

Be careful when you do day trading.. Minimise your buying on credit as u may have to pay back if something goes wrong..

JennyFunny


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Yea..that is good advise from smallville..Smile

nkalansu


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Hi there....

If you really think of quitting job.....then have a back up plan as well if your CSE investments do not perform as expected.

Rs. 1 M is not going to be enough for CSE.

Think your job as a cash flow that provide the capital for your investments.

intelstk


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic

hey, what is Swing trading??

JennyFunny


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

This is a style of trading that attempts to capture gains in a stock within one to four days. Swing traders use technical analysis to look for stocks with short-term price momentum. These traders aren't interested in the fundamental or intrinsic value of stocks, but rather in their price trends and patterns.

Happy Trading

JennyFunny


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Please refer to this link

http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t6787-swing-trading-for-dummies-p#46524

rijayasooriya

rijayasooriya
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

Anushka007 wrote:Guys,
Just curious, how much money you guys make during day trading
also any folks doing full time as the job
i want to quit my job and trade (but i have only 1mn) do you think its enough
my job sux
Day trading is most likely gambling.
So do not quit ur job and put ur money for gambling.
U will definitely loose brother.
If ur job sucks, find another job, till then keep that money.
Share market is not a money machine.
Do not do this mistake buddy.

JennyFunny


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

ah..not it is not if you know what you are doing..

JennyFunny


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

it is similar to any type of technical trading.except the time horizon for your trades is LIMITED to a day..as opposed to Swing,Momentum,Trend trading

Having said that if you dont know what you are doing then stay away..

godswen

godswen
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

I agree smallville, good writing and interesting to read!

RichDad

RichDad
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Read RichDad PoorDad

godswen

godswen
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

RichDad wrote:Read RichDad PoorDad

I've read that! Smile

RichDad

RichDad
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

godswen wrote:

I've read that! Smile

That's one of the greatest I've read, I am what I am because I read it sometime back. Cheers bro!

JennyFunny


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

what is it about.?

maheshprabahath


Stock Trader

if i am willing to day trading what is a good sector<<

Aamiable


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

overall market need to be upwards,... otherwise it is risky..



Cool

pirate

pirate
Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic

Rich Dad Poor Dad
Try the link..

http://sultanbinnaser.yolasite.com/resources/Rich%20Dad%20,%20Poor%20Dad.pdf

JennyFunny


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

yea thats correct..since we dont have Short Selling in Srilanka..

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