I will never buy Poultry stocks here after !! its a sin..

Think9 wrote:Buyin shares on particular stocks means ur a shareholder in that particular share.. buyin these shares, straightly says u owe a company where ppl kill animals to earn..

what goes around comes around.. !!

who is with me ?? we re stil not late to make our mind.

ha ha thats great. No doubt, we also have to bear a portion of those sins . I hope this has been your policy from the beginning.

good argument brother,

but there are practical limitations...
meat or animal based foods are essential to maintain the quality of life,
specially the heam iron and certain vitamins like vitamin B12 and riboflavin.
also out of all 20 essential amino acids there are few ,can't get from any plant source, and which are essential to maintain a healthy life cycle.
specifically child bearing age females should have this in the time of conceive as its essential to build the nervous system fundamentals.unless the baby become an idiot with low iq.

so there are pro s and con s.
i'm looking at the world through science,
religions come next.

what i say is
we should atleast remove the cruelty of killing animals. atleast give them a quick, peace death.
but implementing these HALAL principles , we are simply giving them a cruel death.

i remember i cried once seeing that the HALAL killing of animals in ground floor of borella supermarket.

so let's be realistic.
why are we killing animals by letting them to bleed and suffer in pain.
at least can't we prohibit that halal badge for the name of any god.


i believe that any religion should be for the comfort for human being,and all other animals too. of we can't stop, at least we should reduce the harm .
simply i ask them to go to hell...

so educate your friend's and family not to buy any halal based product if you have the choice for another.

and still there are still 10% of Islams here in sri lanka, and very few extremists who promote this practices....

Think9 wrote:Buyin shares on particular stocks means ur a shareholder in that particular share.. buyin these shares, straightly says u owe a company where ppl kill animals to earn..

what goes around comes around.. !!

who is with me ?? we re stil not late to make our mind.

I have seen this argument at LBO some times back!!!

Think9 wrote:Buyin shares on particular stocks means ur a shareholder in that particular share.. buyin these shares, straightly says u owe a company where ppl kill animals to earn..

what goes around comes around.. !!

who is with me ?? we re stil not late to make our mind.

Don't buy automobile stocks... Cars create air and sound pollution.
Don't buy hotel stocks... Have you seen how much food they waste?
Don't buy real estate stocks... They probably cut down trees to put up that building.
Don't buy banking stocks... They charge interest, which is exploitative.
Don't buy any stocks... The stock market is a capitalistic device whereby the rich take money from the poor.

Yes, sure halal practice is disgusting.
But if you want to avoid shares that do not contribute killing animals, It's like finding "Kalunikha". Because X company may invest in in animal killing company Y through it's Z subsidiary etc etc.

Eg; If you buy LGL, They invested in GRAN
IF you by NAVF - they invest in CTHR and CARG is a subsidary of CTHR which is involved in meat production.
If you are a private sector worker, you contribute to EPF/ETF, and EPF/ETF fund invested in GRAN,CIC,JKH which are meat producing.
If you get SLIC insuarance policy, Now their fund invested in TESS which produces fish,meat etc,

I can make a list, as you can't use even a rupee without contributing animal killing.

We got alternative sources for getting those vitamins, isnt it?. i have been vegetarian for 10 years, nothing happened to me but im very healthy and very relaxed. In countries like SL, we got plenty of options, variety of vegetables,it might be difficult for middle eastern countries as they have nothing but deserts. Now lots of foreigners going for vegetable leaving meats behind due to lots of fatal illnesses are associated with those meats for example obesity and cholesterol.

@windi - naa.. i just thought today that im gonna stop.. even i posted abt GRAN once in this forum ( 2 months bak ).

@watch dog : really !! na i didnt see that article..

This just came to ma mind.. once one of ma friends told me not to buy tellin me its a sin but that time i was greedy to earn more money and i bought lot of times..and recently i calculated the gain / loss i got from those , i realized that what i ve earn from those is pretty low... and these re da shares i ve traded most in ma life..

mayb it s message for me to gain low on those.. and I made up ma mind not to buy again.
( though im pretty confident that we will see a chicken run soon. im not gonna enter. )

Antonym wrote:

Think9 wrote:Buyin shares on particular stocks means ur a shareholder in that particular share.. buyin these shares, straightly says u owe a company where ppl kill animals to earn..

what goes around comes around.. !!

who is with me ?? we re stil not late to make our mind.

Don't buy automobile stocks... Cars create air and sound pollution.
Don't buy hotel stocks... Have you seen how much food they waste?
Don't buy real estate stocks... They probably cut down trees to put up that building.
Don't buy banking stocks... They charge interest, which is exploitative.
Don't buy any stocks... The stock market is a capitalistic device whereby the rich take money from the poor.

more than anything else this practice is fatal. animal too have rights. dont they?

Lol Antonym

@Antonym :

Don't buy automobile stocks... Cars create air and sound pollution.

how can this be a sin men ?? LOL... u high or somethin ??

its nt abt the sins u do indirectly.. not that we can b perfect but buyin chicken stocks means we directly do encourage them to kill..

windi5 wrote:
more than anything else this practice is fatal. animal too have rights. dont they?

Of course they do! But let's take care of the rights of human beings first, before we start dealing with the rights of animals and plants.

@Antonym:

Of course they do! But let's take care of the rights of human beings first, before we start dealing with the rights of animals and plants.

dude thats a harsh statement.. ! in world wide humans kills millions of million animals every week. You cant neglect those and try to fullfill all human rights..

ANyway this s abt sins not abt human rights ! there s a big difference..

Think9 wrote:@Antonym :

Don't buy automobile stocks... Cars create air and sound pollution.

how can this be a sin men ?? LOL... u high or somethin ??

its nt abt the sins u do indirectly.. not that we can b perfect but buyin chicken stocks means we directly do encourage them to kill..

It's direct sin, Air pollution kills animals especially small creatures,insects etc

One point we have to remember, stock holders are not directly involved in killing of any animals.eg.poultry.
also. Even Lord Buddha was served meat. the argument was this was an offering, therefore not a sin.
I honestly, do not see anything wrong with owning poultry stocks.

chan5 wrote:good argument brother,

but there are practical limitations...
meat or animal based foods are essential to maintain the quality of life,
specially the heam iron and certain vitamins like vitamin B12 and riboflavin.
also out of all 20 essential amino acids there are few ,can't get from any plant source, and which are essential to maintain a healthy life cycle.
specifically child bearing age females should have this in the time of conceive as its essential to build the nervous system fundamentals.unless the baby become an idiot with low iq.

so there are pro s and con s.
i'm looking at the world through science,
religions come next.

what i say is
we should atleast remove the cruelty of killing animals. atleast give them a quick, peace death.
but implementing these HALAL principles , we are simply giving them a cruel death.

i remember i cried once seeing that the HALAL killing of animals in ground floor of borella supermarket.

so let's be realistic.
why are we killing animals by letting them to bleed and suffer in pain.
at least can't we prohibit that halal badge for the name of any god.


i believe that any religion should be for the comfort for human being,and all other animals too. of we can't stop, at least we should reduce the harm .
simply i ask them to go to hell...

so educate your friend's and family not to buy any halal based product if you have the choice for another.

and still there are still 10% of Islams here in sri lanka, and very few extremists who promote this practices....

This kind of informative posts are welcome to the forum. + rep from me just to appreciate you.

bePositive wrote:One point we have to remember, stock holders are not directly involved in killing of any animals.eg.poultry.
also. Even Lord Buddha was served meat. the argument was this was an offering, therefore not a sin.
I honestly, do not see anything wrong with owning poultry stocks.

According to Buddhism, to make a sin it should fulfill one or more following criteria
1.Killing intention
2.Making Plans/Traps for killing
3.The act of killing

I think being a shareholder does commit none of the above.

Think9 wrote:

@watch dog : really !! na i didnt see that article..

here is the link,go to the comments,
http://www.lbo.lk/fullstory.php?nid=525691921

bePositive wrote:One point we have to remember, stock holders are not directly involved in killing of any animals.eg.poultry.
also. Even Lord Buddha was served meat. the argument was this was an offering, therefore not a sin.
I honestly, do not see anything wrong with owning poultry stocks.

It's a matter of an individual's beliefs and convictions...
If you are a vegetarian and are strongly opposed to killing of animals, don't buy poultry stocks.
To give another example, a person opposed to smoking would probably not buy shares in a cigarette company.

@RockStock : yh yh true .. i dnt wanna argue with that point anymore.

@bePositive : thats an interstin point.. na but i feel we do have a direct involvement..

killings as a sin can b categorize into 3 ;

1. directly killing
2. making some1 to kill
3. having the idea , intention of killing

so buyin chicken stocks comes under the category of no.2 . if all dont invest on those , its hard for the companies to survive.. ok! lets say they ve thier own cash to survive but still ! if we dont buy, we can minimize the killin rate. fast expansion, less promotion, etc

i dnt know ! im just sharin how i see this.. i mayb wrong !

windi5 wrote:We got alternative sources for getting those vitamins, isnt it?. i have been vegetarian for 10 years, nothing happened to me but im very healthy and very relaxed. In countries like SL, we got plenty of options, variety of vegetables,it might be difficult for middle eastern countries as they have nothing but deserts. Now lots of foreigners going for vegetable leaving meats behind due to lots of fatal illnesses are associated with those meats for example obesity and cholesterol.

dear windi5.
if you are on any argument about stocks or investments i won't confront you.
but i think , that i have knowledge and the right to confront you as you are misleading people here.

1- you don't have any alternative source to get animal based amino acids. even in any preperation , it's still animal based.yes vitamin b complexes you can.but not heam iron.

2- I'm sorry to say i dont know your age, but being an vegetarian you have already loosen things that you even dont know.
if you had children then, already they are at risk of defective neural devolopment.
your sexual intimacy threshold had gone up so you may never feel the climax or rarely.
in a simplwe language its like driving a tata by believing it's a ferrari. you never know the difference until you feel it.

3.your argument is wrong sis, as non of these so called vegetable can't give so called components.
i can be more scientific , but then you wont undestand.
your explanations are like
Level I: Scientific evidence is lacking, of poor quality, or conflicting, such that the risk versus benefit balance cannot be assessed. Clinicians should help patients understand the uncertainty surrounding the clinical service.

4. obesity doesn't come from protein sis. ots the fat you use and carbohydrte you use and the exertion you put for your body. cholesterole is also the fats and that's found in animal foods i agree.
so do you know that how many pesticides, weedicides , litium, and toxins , and eggs of worms are coming with vegetable based foods.

5. foreigner do various things, not only being veg.some of them are not suitable to us.so thi,s is also one of them. they thought us to smoke, drink, and now to be veg. all in same account.........

6.if still you are so fascinated being veg...? sorry for you and please note that there were 76 vegetarians in my batch , and after 5 years of learning the count went to zero..


7.teach some biology for your children so they won't be so...............


no hard feelings and with all due respect

thanks

Antonym wrote:

Think9 wrote:Buyin shares on particular stocks means ur a shareholder in that particular share.. buyin these shares, straightly says u owe a company where ppl kill animals to earn..

what goes around comes around.. !!

who is with me ?? we re stil not late to make our mind.

Don't buy automobile stocks... Cars create air and sound pollution.
Don't buy hotel stocks... Have you seen how much food they waste?
Don't buy real estate stocks... They probably cut down trees to put up that building.
Don't buy banking stocks... They charge interest, which is exploitative.
Don't buy any stocks... The stock market is a capitalistic device whereby the rich take money from the poor.

Different people have different ideas. I think we should respect everyone. If someone thinks it's a sin, let them to proceed as they want. On the other had invloving to direct killing & indirect killing is different.

You work hard & earn money, and 15% of it goes to EPF account, and they invest it in GRAN is different that you directly invest in GRAN or BFL.

I don't ask others to stop investing in Poultry stocks. But I think if someone does not like to invest in those, let's respect them, for their idea.

By the way I do not invest in BFL or Tobacco. But still I have planty of stock types to invest.

chan5 wrote:good argument brother,

but there are practical limitations...
meat or animal based foods are essential to maintain the quality of life,
specially the heam iron and certain vitamins like vitamin B12 and riboflavin.
also out of all 20 essential amino acids there are few ,can't get from any plant source, and which are essential to maintain a healthy life cycle.
specifically child bearing age females should have this in the time of conceive as its essential to build the nervous system fundamentals.unless the baby become an idiot with low iq.

so there are pro s and con s.
i'm looking at the world through science,
religions come next.

This is a very big misconception.There is no need to kill animals to get those vitamins.Milk products can provide all these vitamins which are not in plant source. Meat contains lot of harmful chemicals.So if u are a vegetarian it is a best and healthy life.

The other point is it is not a sin to invest in poultry shares.If u do not have killing intention it is not sin according to buddhism.You can argue that u indirectly participate in killing process but if u do not have such an intention it is not a sin.But there is an ethical issue.

Of course we have to maintain human rights.But there is no need to wait to protect animal rights till we fullfill all the human rights which is a relative term and can vary from one country to another country under some basic principals.

We may argue on this for years without a conclusion. This has been happening for many years in the history doing research in world labs.
Would like quoting the history of findings from wikipedia;
Quote start:
In 1978, a study incorporating EEG (electroencephalograph) with electrodes surgically implanted on the skull of 17 sheep and 15 calves, and conducted by Wilhelm Schulze et al. at the University of Veterinary Medicine in Germany concluded that "the slaughter in the form of a ritual cut is, if carried out properly, painless in sheep and calves according to EEG recordings and the missing defensive actions" (of the animals) and that "For sheep, there were in part severe reactions both in bloodletting cut and the pain stimuli" when captive bolt stunning (CBS) was used.[13][17] This study is cited by the German Constitutional Court in its permitting of dhabiha slaughtering.[18]

In 2003, the Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC), an independent advisory group, concluded that the way halal and kosher meat is produced causes severe suffering to animals and should be banned immediately. FAWC argued that cattle required up to two minutes to bleed to death when such means are employed. The Chairperson of FAWC at the time, Judy MacArthur Clark, added, "this is a major incision into the animal and to say that it doesn't suffer is quite ridiculous." Halal and kosher butchers deny that their method of killing animals is cruel and expressed anger over the FAWC recommendation.[16]

Majid Katme of the Muslim Council of Britain also disagreed, stating that "it's a sudden and quick haemorrhage. A quick loss of blood pressure and the brain is instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain."[16]
Quote end.
You may read the dull article on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal

We argue here to reduce the suffering of a dying animal. Cheating our self? Why don,t we become vegetarian in order to show our love to these animals?
"rewlayee kedayee 2me bee"

It is one’s personal choice.
I too avoid SIN shares, though they give higher returns.
One has to eat meat to get certain minerals and vitamins are not a scientifically valid argument.